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There are many statements in abstract algebra, often asked by beginners, which are just too good to be true. For example, if $N$ is a normal subgroup of a group $G$, is $G/N$ isomorphic to a subgroup of $G$? As an experienced mathematician, we see immediately that there is no reason for this to be true — even without thinking about this in detail. Often we can quickly come up with counterexamples. Sometimes, it is hard to find counterexamples.

Many questions fall into this category, for example:

  • If $f : R \to S$ is a ring homomorphism and $I \subseteq R $ is an ideal, is then $f(I) \subseteq S$ an ideal? (SE/2200335)
  • $\DeclareMathOperator\Aut{Aut}$If $G,H$ are groups, do we have $\Aut(G \times H) \cong \Aut(G) \times \Aut(H)$? (SE/1236571)
  • Is every submodule of a finitely generated module also finitely generated? (SE/83078)
  • If $A$ is an abelian group with $A^3 \cong A$, does this imply $A^2 \cong A$? (MO/10128)
  • If $A$ is an abelian group with $A \oplus \mathbb{Z}^2 \cong A$, does this imply $A \oplus \mathbb{Z} \cong A$? (MO/218113)
  • If $G$, $H$ are groups whose group algebras $ \mathbb{Q}[G]$, $\mathbb{Q}[H]$ are isomorphic, are then $G$, $H$ isomorphic? (SE/1342851)
  • see also MO/23478 for common false beliefs in mathematics

But my question is actually about situations where, for some strange reason, our first gut feeling is not correct and a wrong-looking statement turns out to be true. Examples will be abundant, which is why I want to restrict this question to examples coming from abstract algebra (you are welcome to open similar questions for other branches and flavors of mathematics, and please let me know if there are already questions of this type).

Here are some examples which come to my mind:

  • Every group homomorphism $\mathbb{Z}^{\mathbb{N}} \to \mathbb{Z}$ is a finite linear combination of projections. In fact, $(\mathbb{Z}^{ \mathbb{N}})^* \cong \mathbb{Z}^{\oplus \mathbb{N}}$. (Specker 1950)
  • If $A$, $B$ are finitely generated abelian groups (more generally, finitely generated modules over a commutative Noetherian ring) and $f : A \to A \oplus B$, $g : A \oplus B \to B$ are homomorphisms such that $0 \to A \xrightarrow{f} A \oplus B \xrightarrow{g} B \to 0$ is exact, then it is split exact.
  • If $A$, $B$, $C$ are finite groups such that $A \times B \cong A \times C$, then $B \cong C$. (SE/3579745)
  • every negation of the examples mentioned above, for example: There is an abelian group $A$ with $A \cong A^3$ and $A \not\cong A^2$. (However, I am more interested in "positive" results.)

I am looking for statements in abstract algebra where this is your reaction when you learn that they are actually true.

Please try to include a reference for the statement and proof.

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    How about every simple group is generated by at most 2 elements. And if it is non-abelian every element is a commutator – Benjamin Steinberg Jan 19 '23 at 23:33
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    In fact virtually any Corollary of the classification of simple non-abelian groups might fit. Not to mention the odd order theorem. – Benjamin Steinberg Jan 19 '23 at 23:34
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    Yes, I made the WTF face! ;-) You are welcome to post your examples as answers :-) – Martin Brandenburg Jan 19 '23 at 23:34
  • By the way it is much harder to get nonisomorphic finite groups with integral rings that are isomorphic. – Benjamin Steinberg Jan 19 '23 at 23:36
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    How about Brauer’s lemma that two cyclic group permutation representations that are isomorphic as linear representations are in fact isomorphic as permutation representations? – Sam Hopkins Jan 19 '23 at 23:46
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    To me, its very surprising that the factor groups of $G$ are well defined; I'd love to have more intuition for that result – Connor Malin Jan 19 '23 at 23:46
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    This might be borderline but two finite fields are isomorphic iff they have the same size. This fails for finite groups or rings or pretty much any other standard algebraic structure except Boolean algebras. – Benjamin Steinberg Jan 19 '23 at 23:49
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    It's so depressing to see group theory referred to as "abstract algebra"... – YCor Jan 20 '23 at 00:03
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    @ycor: I am trying to imagine why you find that depressing. – Tom Goodwillie Jan 20 '23 at 00:09
  • @ConnorMalin I'm not sure what you're looking for, but what we want is $(aH)(bH) = abH$, so it's clear that we just need to be able to move the $b$ past the $H$ (i.e., $Hb=bH$). – Timothy Chow Jan 20 '23 at 14:21
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    The fact that $(\mathbb R, +)$, $(\mathbb C, +)$ and $(\mathbb{C}[X],+)$ are isomorphic as groups looked wrong to me first time I have seen it. – Nick S Jan 20 '23 at 17:06
  • 2nd and 3rd surprises follow from Krull-Schmidt. I don't know what the 1st one follows from. We would need to show that $\phi: \mathbb Z^{\mathbb N} \to \mathbb Z$ is continuous to take the obvious limit. – wlad Jan 20 '23 at 17:39
  • I think I get how to derive the 1st surprise. Assume WLOG that $\phi(e_i) > 0$ for all $i \in \mathbb N$. Denote the sequence of all $1$s as $\mathbf 1$. Let $k = \phi(\mathbf 1)$, and observe that $k < 0$. Consider the subset $(|k|+1)\mathbb N$ and its $|k|+1$ shifts that cover $\mathbb N$, and call their indicator functions $\chi_0, \chi_1, \dotsc, \chi_{|k|}$ respectively. It's easy to see that each $\phi(\chi_i) < 0$ for all $i \in {0,1,\dotsc,|k|}$. But also, $\mathbf 1 = \chi_0 + \chi_1 + \dotsb + \chi_{|k|}$. Applying $\phi$ implies that $|LHS| < |RHS|$, which gives a contradiction. – wlad Jan 20 '23 at 17:57
  • @TimothyChow I'm not sure if there is a standardized name, but I actually meant the "prime factorization theorem for groups" which says that up to reordering the quotients of a maximal subnormal series are unique. – Connor Malin Jan 20 '23 at 18:11
  • Would you be willing to include a request that results come together with a reference? Many of the answers already given satisfy this condition, but not all yet. \ @ConnorMalin, that is the Jordan–Hölder theorem. – LSpice Jan 20 '23 at 18:12
  • @wlad I have added a reference. See also https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baer%E2%80%93Specker_group – Martin Brandenburg Jan 20 '23 at 18:41
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    The topological/geometric aspects of several of the answers (Asaf's; Benjamin's second one) exemplify why I sympathize with the comment of Ycor regarding group theory as abstract algebra @TomGoodwillie. – Lee Mosher Jan 21 '23 at 01:05
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    In fact $\mathrm{Hom}(\mathbb{Z}^X, \mathbb{Z}) \cong \bigoplus\limits_{x \in X}\mathbb{Z}$ iff $X$ has no non-principal $\sigma$-additive ultrafilter, i.e. iff $|X|$ is less than the first measurable cardinal (see Corollary 2 of Eda's paper). An intuitive rejection of $\mathbb{Z}^X$ being reflexive is therefore an intuitive (naïve?) acceptance of measurable cardinals. – Robert Furber Jan 21 '23 at 13:53
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    @TomGoodwillie: YCor should probably speak for himself, but one possible reason is that group theory is the study of symmetry. From this point of view, it relates more strongly to geometry than to abstract algebra, certainly in the commutative setting. I think many self-described geometric group theorists feel like this; certainly I do. – HJRW Jan 21 '23 at 15:23
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    I suppose the adjective 'abstract' is historical, to distinguish it from elementary algebra. So this applies equally to group theory (geometric or otherwise), commutative algebra, representation theory, etcetera. But to me, the word 'abstract' sounds like you're studying objects that exist only as algebraic objects, and do not appear to interact with geometry (in the broad sense). Maybe like a Robbins algebra or something. – R. van Dobben de Bruyn Jan 21 '23 at 16:21
  • Is this https://mathoverflow.net/a/25231/345 an example? – Simon Wadsley Oct 30 '23 at 21:35

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The free group with infinitely many generators is a subgroup of the free group with two generators.

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    I'm still not over this. – Asaf Karagila Jan 20 '23 at 09:17
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    Are the generators: $\langle ab, a^2 b^2, a^3 b^3, \dotsc\rangle$? – wlad Jan 20 '23 at 11:35
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    The statement is kind of obvious for monoids. Digital technology depends on it. – wlad Jan 20 '23 at 11:43
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    @wlad: Those generators work, but so do (uncountably!) many others. Perhaps the most obvious are ${b^nab^{-n}\mid n\in\mathbb{Z}}$. – HJRW Jan 20 '23 at 12:09
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    The subgroup generated by the commutators is infinitely generated. And free because it is a subgroup. – coudy Jan 20 '23 at 12:34
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    Isn’t this the “opposite” phenomena of what the question asked for (things going “badly” instead of good)? – Sam Hopkins Jan 20 '23 at 12:46
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    @Sam: The question is "results which look wrong". Naively, one would perhaps expect that the free functor $\bf Set\to Grp$ would somehow an isomorphism. So the fact that "a set of two elements" has an "infinite subset", in this sense, seems very wrong. – Asaf Karagila Jan 20 '23 at 15:07
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    Topologically, I don't really find this too surprising. Something a lot more non-trivial and general is that for any (countable) group with $k$ defining relations, it embeds in a $2$-generated group with $k$ defining relations (the free group case being, of course, $k=0$). – Carl-Fredrik Nyberg Brodda Jan 20 '23 at 15:20
  • Note also that any (necessarily free abelian) subgroup of a free abelian group of rank $k$ has rank $\leq k$. Perhaps the more surprising statement is that intuition does work there. – Carl-Fredrik Nyberg Brodda Jan 20 '23 at 15:21
  • Not quite right, please correct to "countably infinitely many." – Moishe Kohan Jan 20 '23 at 18:33
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    I upvoted this, since it was also counterintuitive to me when I heard about this. But on the other hand, when you think about how to find a proof, you just have to find infinitely many "independent" elements in $\langle a,b \rangle$, which is doable in many ways, as was already mentioned. So the switch from "this looks wrong" to "okay, this might be true" goes quite fast. – Martin Brandenburg Jan 20 '23 at 18:45
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    It does not sound so dramatic if you restate it as "a two generator free group has a subgroup which is not finitely generated" ( I also upvoted). – Geoff Robinson Jan 20 '23 at 20:48
  • @GeoffRobinson In restating it, however, you are assuming the Nielsen-Schreier theorem, which is a lot more surprising. – Carl-Fredrik Nyberg Brodda Jan 20 '23 at 21:20
  • This result is very natural from the bijection $H \mapsto St(H)$ (between subgroups of the free group $F_{a,b}$ and Stallings automata with arcs labelled in ${a,b}$). Following the bijection, the (algebraic) rank of $H$ coincides with the (graphical) rank of $St(H)$. Hence it is enough to consider an ${a,b}$ Stallings automaton of infinite rank. For example, the normal closure of $a$ mentioned above corresponds to a biinfinite $b$-path with an $a$-loop at every vertex. – suitangi Jan 24 '23 at 19:19
  • Perhaps more surprising is the fact that the free (unital, associative, noncommutative) ring on two generators contains the free ring on countably many. – Pace Nielsen Jan 26 '23 at 20:55
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Let $G$ be a finite group and $n \mid |G|$.

If $S = \{x \in G : x^n = 1\}$ contains exactly $n$ elements, then $S$ is a subgroup of $G$.

There seems no a priori reason to expect $S$ to be a subgroup if $G$ is non-abelian. The proof (see Iiyori and Yamaki - On a conjecture of Frobenius (MSN)) uses the classification of finite simple groups.

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    I think (surprisingly in my view) this was reduced to the case that $n$ and $\frac{G|}{n}$ are coprime by fairly elementary means by Kate Fenchel. It is conceivable that the general might be provable by character theoretic methods, though many tried ( probably including Frobenius, who first proved that the number of solutions of $x^{n} = 1$ is a multiple of $n$ when $n$ divides $|G|$, and Brauer, who proved this last fact using his characterization of characters), and no-one has succeeded to date. – Geoff Robinson Jan 20 '23 at 14:22
  • Some more discussion in answers to an older question. Any proof of the result would probably need character theory at some level, since the fact that Frobenius kernels are subgroups follows as a corollary (see comment here). – Mikko Korhonen Jan 21 '23 at 01:32
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Every finite simple group can be generated by at most $2$ elements. This is another famous consequence of the classification.

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    @GeoffRobinson, my understanding is that the question is asking for examples where a property is too good to be true and there is no reason to believe expect it from the definitions but it turns out to be true. What in the definition of simple group seems to imply it should be generated by two elements? Infinite simple groups can require more than 2 generators. – Benjamin Steinberg Jan 20 '23 at 13:43
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    @GeoffRobinson, I guess I interpreted the question as statements where your first inclination would be to look for a coubterexample even if it is hard to find – Benjamin Steinberg Jan 20 '23 at 16:43
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    This answer actually includes two WTF moments, one for each sentence. +1 – Martin Brandenburg Jan 20 '23 at 18:48
  • @GeoffRobinson, the way I would look at a question "is a finite simple group generated by 2 elements" would be like this: "take the first element, generate a cyclic subgroup with it, and act on it with commutators from the cyclic group generated by the other element; would the resulting set sufficiently dense, for the lack of a better word, in the given simple group to even suspect that it covers entire group?" And the intuitive answer would be "heck no". It is kind of amazing that you can always find two elements that defy that intuitive answer. – Michael Jan 21 '23 at 00:09
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Every element of a finite simple non-abelian group is a commutator. This is the positive solution to the Ore conjecture (see Liebeck, O’Brien, Shalev, and Tiep - The Ore conjecture) and uses the classification.

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    As well as making heavy use of the properties of the finite simple groups, this proof involved about 150 hours (i.e. nearly three years) of computer CPU time to handle base cases. I sometimes wonder whether results like this are somehow true by accident rather than for any genuine reason. – Derek Holt Jan 20 '23 at 14:02
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    @DerekHolt Well, in this case it is certainly not a coincidence. If you believe that the analogy between the finite groups of Lie type, semisimple groups over alg. closed fields and semisimple Lie groups is more than an analogy, then this result does not seem to be coincidental, comm. width = 1 was shown by R. Ree in 1964 and by S. Pasiencier and H.-C.Wang in 1962, respectively. – Andrei Smolensky Jan 20 '23 at 15:47
  • But this does not take sporadic groups into account. However, is there truly a result about sporadic groups that does not look coincidental?

    By the way, Ore conjecture was verified for sporadic groups by means of computer calculation back in 1982 by Neubuser, Pahlings and Plesken as an example of an application of their new software for character calculations.

    – Andrei Smolensky Jan 20 '23 at 15:50
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    @AndreiSmolensky Thanks for the observation about the analogy with semisimple Lie groups. In my previous comment I meant 150 weeks of CPU time rather than 150 hours. – Derek Holt Jan 20 '23 at 16:43
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    @DerekHolt Well, some hours before coffee do feel like weeks. – Carl-Fredrik Nyberg Brodda Jan 20 '23 at 21:19
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    @AndreiSmolensky For something to "not look coincidental," either for finite simple groups or semisimple Lie groups, it might suffice to have a proof that does not rely explicitly on the classification. – Timothy Chow Jan 21 '23 at 01:48
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    H. Blau gave an example of a quasisimple group in which some element is not a commutator. – Geoff Robinson Jan 22 '23 at 11:08
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Every finite index subgroup of a finitely generated profinite group is open. The converse is obvious, but this direction was quite surprising to me. This is a result of Nikolov and Segal and uses the classification of finite simple groups.

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The Nielsen-Schreier theorem that subgroups of free groups are free might have seemed surprising from am algebraic view given the analogue for many other algebraic structures is false. While this is easy to prove topologically, the original algebraic proof is in my view just an algebraic translation of the topological proof that for some strange reason, preceded the topological one.

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    As some shameless self-promotion, if one considers varieties of algebras over a field of characteristic zero with one binary operation, a recent result of myself and Umirbaev is that there are infinitely many such varieties that are Nielsen-Schreier (before that, only six such varieties were known - so this was very surprising for us when we proved it). – Vladimir Dotsenko Jan 20 '23 at 12:24
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    @LSpice it is indeed! – Vladimir Dotsenko Jan 21 '23 at 08:04
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    @VladimirDotsenko the varieties of groups with this property are known to be the varieties of all groups, abelian groups, and abelian exponent $p$ groups, as proved by P. Neumann and J. Wiegold in "Schreier varieties of groups", Math. Z. (1964). – Giles Gardam Jan 24 '23 at 08:53
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    @GilesGardam yes exactly. And it is equally restrictive for varieties of Lie algebras, for instance. So I think that a lot of people expected a list of possible varieties of nonassociative k-linear algebras with this property to be finite or at least discrete - and we even found continuous families... – Vladimir Dotsenko Jan 24 '23 at 09:00
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As fields, the algebraic closures of the fields ${\bf Q}_p$ are isomorphic, and are isomorphic to the complex numbers.

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    This is a funny one, in that I think it depends on how much you know. When you're first learning field theory, this sounds impossible! (Surely there's some sort of "generalised characteristic" that can algebraically tell $\mathbb Q_p$ and its extensions apart from $\mathbb C$?) But, once you know some more field theory, you get the informal sense (that can of course be made precise via uncountably categorical-ness) that there just aren't that many (big, characteristic-$0$) algebraically closed fields. – LSpice Jan 20 '23 at 23:47
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For a group with finitely many elements of finite order, the set of elements of finite order is a subgroup.

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    Interesting! Can you add a reference? – Martin Brandenburg Jan 20 '23 at 18:10
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    This follows from Schur's Theorem: $[G:Z(G)]<\infty\Rightarrow |G'|<\infty$. WLOG, we can replace $G$ with the subgroup generated by finite order elements. Hence $\cap_{o(x)<\infty}C_G(x)\subseteq Z(G)$. But each of these centralizers $C_G(x)$ is of finite index because the conjugacy class of $x$ is finite (its elements are of finite order). Hence $[G:Z(G)]<\infty$ which shows that $G'$ is finite. Now if $x,y$ are of finite order, then so is the element $xyG'$ of the abelian group $G/G'$. But if $(xy)^n\in G'$ for some finite $n$, $xy$ itself should be of finite order because $|G'|<\infty$. – KhashF Jan 20 '23 at 19:17
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    Here is a completely explicit and elementary proof (in French). – Matthieu Romagny Jan 20 '23 at 20:22
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The projective dimension of ${\mathbb C}(x,y,z)$ as a module over ${\mathbb C}[x,y,z]$ is two if the continuum hypothesis holds, and three otherwise.

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In combinatorial group theory, loosely speaking almost any problem one can imagine, in full generality, turns out to be undecidable. This includes the word problem, the isomorphism problem, the triviality problem, etc. Here's an example of a very general problem which nevertheless is decidable.

In the mid 1960s and early 1970s, the "equation problem" or "Diophantine problem" for free semigroups (and groups) was studied. Given a fixed free group $F$ (for simplicity, say of rank $2$ on the generators $a$ and $b$), this asks: let $w_1(a, b, X,Y,Z,\dots)$ and $w_2(a,b, X,Y,Z,\dots)$ be two words written in the generators $a,b$ and their inverses, together with some "variables" $X, Y, Z, \dots$ and their formal inverses. Are there words $w_X, w_Y, \dots, w_Z \in F$ such that the equation $$ w_1(a, b, w_X, w_Y, w_Z, \dots) = w_2(a,b, w_X, w_Y, w_Z, \dots) $$ holds true in $F$? For example, is there a solution to $XbXY^{-1} = Zb$ in the free group on $a$ and $b$? (Yes, e.g. take $X = Y = Z = a$). The same problem can be asked for free semigroups instead (in which case one just omits the inverses -- these are just called "word equations").

The "real" Diophantine problem, i.e. the problem of determining whether a polynomial over $\mathbf{Z}$ have integer roots, or Hilbert's Tenth Problem, was proved undecidable in general by Matiyasevich in 1970. For a long time it was believed that Hilbert's Tenth Problem should be reducible to the Diophantine problem in free (semi)groups, and thereby prove this latter problem undecidable too.

But this was not to be. In 1977, Makanin proved that free semigroups have decidable Diophantine problem, and a few years later, he also proved that free groups have decidable Diophantine problem. His solutions are incredibly intricate, but have been generalised to all hyperbolic groups by Dahmani & Guirardel (this latter solution is based on Razborov diagrams; Razborov was, like Makanin, also a student of Adian's, and worked to make a geometric version of Makanin's combinatorial arguments).

This is one of few instances of a very general problem which is decidable in combinatorial group theory. The first time I saw it, I was certain I had misread "undecidable" as "decidable", given the general gloom of undecidability in this area (cf. the Adian-Rabin theorem). I think this qualifies!

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    There is a remarkable fact underlying this work, which is possibly worthy of its own answer: Every system of equations over a free monoid/free group having a finite number of variables is equivalent to a finite subsystem of it. This was the Ehrenfeucht conjecture, proven by Albert-Lawrence and Guva in the 1980s. – ADL Jan 20 '23 at 16:02
  • @ADL While I agree that the work by Albert-Lawrence and Guba is remarkable, Makanin’s work predates them, so I’m not sure what the “underlying” part refers to. – Carl-Fredrik Nyberg Brodda Jan 20 '23 at 16:09
  • Sorry, wasn't quite thinking correctly - the Guba/Albert-Lawrence result means that the nice descriptions of solutions sets, via Makanin-Razborov diagrams and as EDT0L languages, hold for all systems of equations, rather than just finite systems. – ADL Jan 20 '23 at 16:23
  • @ADL I see what you mean now, and yes, I definitely agree! (And: hello! I didn't realise it was you until I clicked your profile!) – Carl-Fredrik Nyberg Brodda Jan 20 '23 at 19:55
  • @ADL: for free groups at least, (not sure about monoids) this is an easy consequence of Hilbert’s basis theorem, so is much older than either GAL or even Makanin. – HJRW Jan 22 '23 at 11:22
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    @HJRW AL’s and Guba’s proofs in the monoid case are both very short and also go via the Hilbert basis theorem. – Carl-Fredrik Nyberg Brodda Jan 22 '23 at 11:59
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There exists a finitely-generated infinite group with only two conjugacy classes, a difficult result of Osin.

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    I’m not sure if this is more or less surprising than the many other kinds of finitely generated monsters that exist. The ur-example is surely the negative solution to the Burnside problem. – HJRW Jan 22 '23 at 15:09
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In a finite Frobenius group, the set of all fixed point free elements together with the identity forms a subgroup.

This might not have such a shocking effect to us, since usually when we first hear about Frobenius groups, it's precisely with the goal of proving this statement, but then again, usually in group theory, when some subsets in a large class of groups don't have a "natural" reason for being subgroups, sooner or later they won't be (and also, the above becomes false in infinite Frobenius groups).

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    To see how surprising this is, it’s worth considering how dramatically this fails in the case of infinite groups. In terminology usually used by infinite group theorists, Frobenius’ theorem says that every malnormal subgroup of a finite group is a retract. – HJRW Jan 20 '23 at 08:56
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It seems to me appropriate to name the following totally unexpected result, which is too good to be true, yet is true.

Are there only finitely many finite groups with $m$ generators of exponent $n$, up to isomorphism (Restricted Burnside problem)?

In the case of the prime exponent $p$, this problem was extensively studied by A. I. Kostrikin during the 1950s, prior to the negative solution of the general Burnside problem. The case of arbitrary exponent has been completely settled in the affirmative by Efim Zelmanov, who was awarded the Fields Medal in 1994 for his work.

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    This is not a bad example, but I feel it has a minor aesthetic flaw, in the following sense. To me, it seems too good to be true only after learning (the highly nontrivial fact) that the original Burnside problem is too good to be true. Without that background, I would have no intuition about whether the restricted Burnside problem is too good to be true. – Timothy Chow Jan 20 '23 at 23:26
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    @TimothyChow You are absolutely right. In posting this example I was guided only by my own impressions. After the Adyan-Novikov and Tarski monsters, a positive solution to the restricted Burnside problem seemed completely implausible. – kabenyuk Jan 21 '23 at 07:19
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Let $F$ be a non-abelian free group and let $G=\prod_\omega F$ be the direct product of infinitely many copies of $F$. Then the abelianisation of $G$ has torsion (of order $2$), by a theorem of Kharlampovich and Myasnikov ["Implicit function theorem over free groups and genus problem", Knots, braids, and mapping class groups—papers dedicated to Joan S. Birman].

Granted, this is an example of an unreasonably bad phenomenon, not an unreasonably good phenomenon, but I still couldn't believe my ears when I was told it (by Lars Louder).

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    That's incredible (especially given how easy it is to show torsion-freeness in the case of a finite direct product). Since the article is 200+ pages long, what theorem of theirs does it follow from? – Carl-Fredrik Nyberg Brodda Feb 01 '23 at 16:30
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    @Carl-FredrikNybergBrodda: It follows from the following claim: there is a sequence of elements $w_n\in [F,F]$ such that the commutator length $\mathrm{cl}(w_n)$ tends to infinity, but $\mathrm{cl}(w_n^2)=2$. It's then clear that $(w_n)$ is a torsion element of $G$. The existence of such a sequence can be deduced from KM's "Implicit Function Theorem" (Sela has an equivalent result he calls "Merzlyakov's theorem"), but Lars tells me that no explicit construction of $w_n$ is known! He also referred me to this paper: https://arxiv.org/abs/1504.04261 . – HJRW Feb 01 '23 at 17:59
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The Auslander–Buchsbaum theorem that every regular local ring is a unique factorization domain.

I should say that the first time I saw this theorem stated, I was not immediately surprised, but that was because I did not yet have enough experience with commutative algebra to have a well-developed intuition either way. Somehow, the Auslander–Buchsbaum theorem became more amazing to me the more I learned.

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I suppose there is a case for saying that Jordan's theorem on finite complex linear groups might be such a result: there is a function $f: \mathbb{N} \to \mathbb{N}$ such that for every $n \in \mathbb{N}$, every finite subgroup $G$ of ${\rm GL}(n,\mathbb{C})$ has an Abelian normal subgroup $A$ with $[G:A] \leq f(n).$ This is well known to fail if we try to replace $\mathbb{C}$ by an algebraically closed field of characteristic $p > 0$.

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Quite a few things in the Hopf algebra world are surprising:

  • Takeuchi's theorem: Every connected graded bialgebra is a Hopf algebra. (No finiteness assumptions!) Takeuchi was actually more general: If $H$ is an $\mathbb N$-graded bialgebra and its $0$-th graded component $H_0$ is Hopf, then $H$ is Hopf.

  • The Cartier-Milnor-Moore theorem: Every cocommutative graded (= $\mathbb N$-graded) bialgebra in characteristic $0$ is isomorphic to the universal enveloping algebra of its primitive space (= space of primitive elements). This means that understanding cocommutative graded bialgebras in characteristic $0$ is essentially equivalent to understanding graded Lie algebras. Commutative graded bialgebras can be understood likewise by duality. You can replace "graded" by "filtered", and the theorem still holds with appropriate changes. To see proper wild behavior, you need to go to the neither-commutative-nor-cocommutative case, or to positive characteristics (or work over rings). I consider the proof of Cartier-Milnor-Moore (by studying Eulerian idempotents) to be full of surprises as well, but maybe more combinatorial than algebraic ones.

  • The Nichols-Zoeller theorem: If $H$ is a finite-dimensional Hopf algebra over a field, and $A$ is a Hopf subalgebra of $H$, then $H$ is a free left $A$-module and a free right $A$-module. (Perhaps this is somewhat less surprising if you think of it as generalizing Lagrange's theorem for finite groups, but there are so many more Hopf algebras than groups!) Generalized even further by Skryabin (2006).

  • Zelevinsky's theory of PSH algebras, showing that every $\mathbb Z$-Hopf algebra that satisfies certain positivity properties is isomorphic to a tensor product of degree-stretched copies of the ring of symmetric functions.

Once you get to symmetric functions, the surprises start multiplying: I find the "Schur polynomial = alternant divided by Vandermonde determinant" identity surprising no matter how many different proofs I see; the Littlewood-Richardson rule in its many forms; the semistandard tableaux forming a section of the plactic monoids while also indexing a basis of irreducible $\operatorname{GL}_n$-modules; ... But maybe surprises are somewhat less surprising when they come from combinatorics, as we are used to think of algebra as formal manipulations and of combinatorics as a jungle full of life?

And then, back in algebra, there is of course the Fundamental Theorem of Galois theory.

  • The symmetric function examples don't quite fit the spirit of the question, IMO. It's not enough for something to be a surprise; the result should look "obviously false" and yet be true. For example, let's compare Littlewood-Richardson coefficients and Kronecker coefficients. A priori, do we expect there to be a nice combinatorial interpretation (in which case Kronecker coefficients are surprisingly nasty) or do we expect there not to be a nice combinatorial interpretation (in which case LR coefficients are surprisingly nice)? I don't think either one is the "obvious default assumption." – Timothy Chow Jan 20 '23 at 23:37
  • Yeah, if you come to the LR coefficients from the Kronecker coefficients, the rule looks too good to be true, but if you go the other way round, it's a disappointment. – darij grinberg Jan 21 '23 at 00:01
  • Out of curiosity, what exactly surprises you in "Schur polynomial = alternant divided by Vandermonde determinant" ? – Vladimir Dotsenko Jan 21 '23 at 08:09
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    @VladimirDotsenko: The fact that the LHS is a weighted sum of tableaux and the RHS is something completely different (the positivity of the coefficients is far from obvious!). – darij grinberg Jan 21 '23 at 15:24
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    @darijgrinberg ah ok, that makes sense. I tend to think of the formula "Schur polynomial = alternant divided by Vandermonde determinant" as almost the definition of the Schur polynomial (and a particular case of Weyl character formula), and the formula as the weighted sum of tableaux as some surprising addendum, hence the question! – Vladimir Dotsenko Jan 21 '23 at 17:51
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In ZFC, the complex number field has $2^{2^{\aleph_0}}$ automorphisms, whereas the real number field has just one, the identity.

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  • Since you were careful to specify the axiom system in your other answer—the proof of this that I know uses a transcendence basis of $\mathbb C$ over $\mathbb Q$, and hence, at least superficially, the axiom of choice. Is this still known to be true without AC? (I'm sure the answer is already elsewhere on MO ….) – LSpice Feb 20 '23 at 18:19
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    I'm pretty sure the axiom of choice is needed for this answer. My default operating system is ZFC. – Dave Benson Feb 21 '23 at 00:16
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    @LSpice It is consistent with ZF that the only automorphisms of $\mathbb C$ are the identity and complex conjugation. – Wojowu Feb 21 '23 at 03:38
  • Answer edited to specify ZFC. – Dave Benson Feb 22 '23 at 09:39
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  1. There is some theory about maximal valuation rings (a special type of ring with linearly ordered ideals, not necessarily a domain) and then there are almost-maximal valuation rings which is of course a relaxation. But if you look for an almost-maximal valuation ring which is not maximal, it has to be a domain for some reason (Gill - Almost Maximal Valuation Rings).

  2. The descending chain condition on right ideals of a ring implies the ascending chain condition on right ideals. The descending chain condition on principal right ideals does not imply the ascending chain condition on principal right ideals: instead it implies the ascending chain condition on principal left ideals (Jonah - Rings with the minimum condition for principal right ideals have the maximum condition for principal left ideals).

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If $k$ is an algebraic number field then for every positive integer $n$ there exist infinitely many field extensions of $k$ of degree $n$ having no proper subfields over $k$.

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A subring of a Noetherian ring need not be Noetherian.

Given all the stability properties that Noetherian rings enjoy, this may sound surprising at first, but it becomes much more obvious if you think about the fact that any domain can be embedded in a Noetherian ring - its field of fractions.

Perhaps more surprising though is that this can also fail for finitely generated rings (or finitely generated algebras over a field): the subring $\mathbb Z[2X,2X^2,2X^3,\dots]$ of $\mathbb Z[X]$ is not Noetherian, and neither is the subring $k[XY,XY^2,XY^3,\dots]$ of $k[X,Y]$ for any field $k$.

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A theorem of Bass: For a ring $R$, every left $R$-module has a projective cover if and only if $R$ satisfies the descending chain condition on principal right ideals.

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An example might be that the category of abelian groups is hereditary. That is, every complex of abelian groups is quasi-isomorphic to the (graded) direct sum of its cohomologies. Although this is very straightforward, I know of at least one person (me) who was surprised by this statement when learning homological algebra

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That there exist finitely presentable non-Hopfian groups. [I still remember my shock when I was first learned this result!]

A group G is Hopfian if every surjective homomorphism $\phi:G\to G$ is in fact bijective. Most common-or-garden finitely generated groups are Hopfian, e.g. linear groups, finitely generated residually finite groups, and hyperbolic groups are all Hopfian. For non-finitely generated groups we can mimic Hilbert's hotel, so for example the infinite product $\mathbb{Z}\times\mathbb{Z}\cdots$ is non-Hopfian.

The Baumslag-Solitar group $\operatorname{BS}(2, 3)=\langle a, b\mid b^{-1}a^2b=a^3\rangle$ is non-Hopfian, with the relevant map being $a\mapsto a^2, b\mapsto b$.

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    This seems me like something too good to be true and it isn't – Benjamin Steinberg Jan 21 '23 at 00:04
  • Note that the first known finitely presented non-Hopfian group was due to Higman (1951, so 10 years before the Baumslag-Solitar groups), and is two-related. Interestingly, Higman claims, indirectly, in that same paper that all one-relator groups are Hopfian -- oops! He attributes this to an unpublished result of H & B.H. Neumann. – Carl-Fredrik Nyberg Brodda Jan 21 '23 at 11:46
  • @BenjaminSteinberg I don't disagree - I focussed too much on the title of the tread. But I did make the reaction when I learned this result! – ADL Jan 23 '23 at 11:16
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In the same vein of the statement the OP included:$$G\times H \cong G\times K \Longrightarrow H\cong K$$ for product of finite groups, which can be rephrased as "product in finite groups is cancellative", a similar property holds true for product "powers".

$$ \underbrace{G\times \cdots \times G}_{n\text{ times} } \cong \underbrace{H\times \cdots \times H}_{n\text{ times}} \Longrightarrow G\cong H$$

In other words to take powers of finite groups is cancellative.

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A simple module $S$ over a finite dimensional algebra $A$ over an algebraically closed field $K$ such that there exists a non-split short exact sequence $0\rightarrow S \rightarrow X \rightarrow S \rightarrow 0$ has infinite projective dimension. This is the strong no loops conjecture and it is not known whether the assumption on the field can be removed, see for example Igusa, Liu, and Paquette - A proof of the strong no loop conjecture.

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Let $G$ be a profinite group and let $C_G$ the category of discrete $G$-modules. Define the cohomological dimension of $G$ as

$$\mathrm{cd}(G)=\inf\;\{n \geq 0 \mid \mathrm{H}^q(G,A)=0\; \text{for every $q>n$ and torsion module $A \in C_G$} \}.$$ Clearly if finite, this number is less or equal to the strict cohomological dimension

$$\mathrm{scd}(G)=\inf\;\{n \geq 0 \mid \mathrm{H}^q(G,A)=0\; \text{for every $q>n$ and $A \in C_G$} \}.$$

Suprisingly we have the upper bound $$\mathrm{scd}(G)\leq \mathrm{cd}(G)+1.$$

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We say that a binary operation $*$ on a set $X$ is left-distributive if it satisfies the identity $x*(y*z)=(x*y)*(x*z).$ The free left-distributive algebra generated by a countably infinite set embeds into the free left-distributive algebra generated by a 2 elements.

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    The same is true for groups. – Emil Jeřábek Oct 31 '23 at 06:53
  • @EmilJeřábek There are quite a few analogies between groups and left-distributive algebras. In either case, the free structures are residually finite (assuming large cardinal hypotheses). Lagrange's theorem also holds for self-distributivity in some sense. The fundamental group extends to the fundamental quandle of a knot. And the lattice of subgroups of a group is congruence modular while the lattice of critical points of nilpotent self-distributive algebras always forms a Heyting semilattice. – Joseph Van Name Oct 31 '23 at 23:25