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Given a manifold $M$, Arnold's "Mathematical Methods of Classical Mechanics" defines a Lagrangian system as a pair $(M,L)$ where $L$ is some smooth function on the tangent bundle $TM$. The function $L$ is called the Lagrangian. In the case when $M$ is a Riemannian manifold and a particle in $M$ is moving under some conservative force field, taking the Lagrangian to be the kinetic minus the potential energy we recover Newton's second law.

I know that one of the main advantages to the Euler-Lagrange equations over Newtons is the way in which they simplify constrained systems. I know another is the coordinate independence of the equations. However, in all applications I've seen the manifold is always Riemannian and the Lagrangian is always $K-U$.

My questions are:

  1. Why do we have this abstract definition of a Lagrangian system and of an abstract Lagrangian?

  2. What are some of the cases in which $L$ is not $K-U$ that gives interesting results?

  3. Or cases in which the manifold is not Riemannian?

Qmechanic
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  • Subquestion 2 is a duplicate of http://physics.stackexchange.com/q/50075/2451 . Related: http://physics.stackexchange.com/q/15899/2451 , http://physics.stackexchange.com/q/9/2451 , http://physics.stackexchange.com/q/78138/2451 and links therein. – Qmechanic Aug 01 '14 at 20:47
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    Suggestions to the question (v2): 1. Remove duplicate questions 2. Ask only one question per post. 3. Besides Riemannian manifolds mention Lorentzian manifolds to include relativistic theories. – Qmechanic Aug 01 '14 at 21:03
  • I'm sorry, you're saying that I should remove question 2, and only ask question 3? – JonHerman Aug 03 '14 at 16:20

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