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Context:


For a system with $n$ degrees of freedom (DOF), one has to deal with $2n$ independent coordinates ($2n$ dimensional phase space), of position $q$ and $\dot{q}$ in Lagrangian formulation, or independent coordinates of $q$ and generalized momentum $p$ in the Hamiltonian formulation.

We remind the reader that if a system with $n$ DOF exhibits at least $n$ globally defined integrals of motion (first integrals), where all such conserved variables are in (Poisson) involution with one another, then the system is (Liouville) integrable.

Furthermore a system with $n$ DOF can at most have $2n-1$ globally defined integrals of motion. A system will generically have $2n$ locally defined constants of motion. We will only be interested in integrals of motion that are globally defined.

Now coming to the famous case of the 2D double pendulum, with weightless rigid wires attaching the two masses, having the lengths $\ell_1$ and $\ell_2$, the generalized coordinates here are given by the two angles that each mass makes with the vertical, denoted respectively by $\theta_1$ and $\theta_2.$

It is rather straightforward to show then that under constant gravity field, the Lagrangian is given by:

$$L~=~T-V~=~\frac{1}{2}(m_1+m_2)\ell_1^2\dot{\theta_1}^2+\frac{1}{2}m_2 \ell_2^2 \dot{\theta_2}^2+m_2 \ell_1 \ell_2 \dot{\theta_1} \dot{\theta_2} \cos(\theta_1 - \theta_2)+(m_1+m_2)g\ell_1\cos\theta_1 + m_2g\ell_2\cos\theta_2.$$

From here calculating the Euler-Lagrange differential equations, one obtains a coupled 2nd-order ordinary differential equation that can be solved only numerically for $\theta_1(t)$ and $\theta_2(t).$

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Question:


Knowing that one integral of motion here is the total energy $E$, and that angular momentum component orthogonal $L_z$ to the plane of motion is also a integral of motion independent of $E$. Unfortunately, they do not Poisson commute.

  1. Are there any other integrals of motion to be found here?

  2. Just by looking at the Lagrangian, as given above, how can we show the system is not integrable, at least at a conceptual level? (we just want to predict, by reasoning what is conserved, and what quantities are not first integrals here).

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    If you like this question you may also enjoy reading this Phys.SE post. – Qmechanic Oct 21 '14 at 20:30
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    Comment to the question (v4): The total external torque $\tau_z=\frac{dL_z}{dt}$ (produced by gravity) around the suspension point, is rarely zero. Hence $L_z$ is not an integral of motion in the presence of gravity. – Qmechanic Oct 22 '14 at 19:31
  • Look at http://math.stackexchange.com/q/1682368/ and the green picture in http://www.myphysicslab.com/pendulum/double-pendulum/double-pendulum-en.html and the comment in the former web page about KAM theory. It all suggests that there is another conserved quantity. I have no idea what it is though. Maybe if one studied KAM theory, one could figure it out. – Stephen Montgomery-Smith Nov 15 '16 at 16:38
  • These seem relevant: 1. V. Salnikov, https://arxiv.org/abs/1303.4904 Hm. Very short. 2. T. Stachowiak & W. Szuminski, https://arxiv.org/abs/1511.01850 Hm their eq. (2.1) looks different. – Qmechanic Apr 03 '18 at 09:12