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This video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K6i-qE8AigE&list=PL3B0924C6A0CB8B67 explains how forces are boson particles. It talks about the other non-force particles giving off and creating bosons, which then decay, or disappear, or run out of energy. The bosons given off interact with other bosons given off, which macroscopically is experienced as force.

My immediate question then was, "how do the half-lives of bosons result in the inverse square law for gravity, the inverse x^4 law for other forces, and so on?"

When we talk about a half life, we're talking about exponential decay. which is Ae^lt, whereas relationships like inverse square law is r^-2. One expression is exponential with a base of e, while the other is exponential with respect to r, and an integer exponent. One expression deals with time, and the other with distance. How does exponential decay of one result in a neat, new expression like the inverse square law?

And then the relativity stick comes a knocking to complicate things even further...

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    The inverse square law only applies when the paricles don't decay i.e. their half life is infinite. – John Rennie Nov 28 '14 at 10:32
  • Related: $1/r^2$ Coulomb force interpreted in terms of QED diagrams & propagator https://physics.stackexchange.com/q/677454/226902 – Quillo Nov 16 '21 at 19:29

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The bosons given off interact with other bosons given off, which macroscopically is experienced as force.

you must have misunderstood.

You are talking in words about virtual exchanges of gauge bosons, but first order interactions are between particles exchanging a gauge boson. Photon photon interaction is very weak, and the same is true for the W and Z. This is a typical interaction:

e-e-

One possible Feynman diagram for electron-electron scattering: electrons (labeled "e") repel each other because one spits out a photon ("γ") that hits the other. Our rules take care of everything else. The photon trajectory is horizontal because I'm still learning the graphics package to draw these diagrams.

The above quote for the figure is in as a naive language but it correctly states the exchange of a boson between two particles to build up the force of interaction.

All this picture of exchanged particles comes from the language of Feynman diagrams, which diagrams are very useful in ordering the method of computing interactions between elementary particles. The exchanged particles are called virtual particles because they cannot be measured independently, and their four vector does not have the mass of the particle it is labeled with, only the other quantum numbers. It is heuristic to talk of them as building up the forces we see macroscopically, a mathematical representation of what really happens when one sets the 1/r potentials in the quantum mechanical equations and computes the interactions.

There are no half lives for these virtual bosons. They are just a part of the integral to be computed to fit the specific measurements, in the above case electron electron scattering.

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  • The bosons governing the strong and weak force do decay, so how would that affect the resulting equations describing those forces? Am I correct that one of those is proportional to 1/(r^4) ? – ahnbizcad Nov 29 '14 at 03:01
  • I am not aware of a "weak potential" , do you have a link? In any case the virtual weak bosons are off mass shell and do not decay within the time frame of the interaction, otherwise extra diagrams would enter the calcualtion. – anna v Nov 29 '14 at 05:07
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    This answer mentions e^-r description of decay, not 1/(r^4) http://physics.stackexchange.com/questions/44290/playground-of-forces – ahnbizcad Nov 29 '14 at 05:29
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    Yes these are effective potentials http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yukawa_potentials. They are not within the range of the feynman diagram exchanges that define virtual particles. They are in a sense a collective fit to the many body problem of atoms and nuclei. A huge number of feynman diagrams would have had to be written and calculated otherwise. – anna v Nov 29 '14 at 06:08
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For a simple classical explanation, you can think of it as follows. If the force is mediated by a stable boson that doesn't decay, such as a photon in the case of electromagnetism, then the number of photons emitted by a charged particle will be conserved, unless of course another charged particle comes along and eats the photon. If the latter happens, then you have an electromagnetic interaction. But until the photon hits another charged particle, it won't just suddenly disintegrate (this is in contrast to the bosons that mediate the strong and weak nuclear forces, which are exponentially suppressed at long distances).

So let's say that we have two electrons, separated by a distance $r$. The first electron emits $N$ photons, and these spread out in random directions at the speed of light. When these photons reach the distance $r$ from the first electron, then all these photons will lie at a spherical shell of radius $r$, and the surface area of such a shell is $4\pi r^2$. This means that the concentration of photons at any part of this spherical surface will now be $N/4\pi r^2$. So this is a simple explanation for why the electromagnetic force is a $1/r^2$ force: because $1/4\pi r^2$ is the ratio of photons emitted by the first charged particle that actually reaches the second charged particle.

(If you want a more rigorous and mathy explanation, then I think there was one in the first few chapters of Quantum Field Theory in a Nutshell by Zee.)

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  • ah basic geometry =]. Then I suppose for particles that do decay, N will be replaced by N3^-(constt)? – ahnbizcad Nov 29 '14 at 02:57
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    Yeah, you can intuitively think of the particle number N as being replaced by N×exp(-kmr) if the boson can decay, where m is the mass of the mediating boson. So the heavier the particle that mediates the force is, the faster it will decay as it moves away from its source. As other answers have already pointed out, this leads to a Yukawa potential. (I'm abusing some terminology here, but I'm trying to keep the answer as simple and intuitive as possible.) – jabirali Nov 29 '14 at 13:09
  • why is the number of photons proportional to the force? why not, for example, to the potential energy? 2. what about a theory with a stable massive boson? it doesn't decay, but the potential is yukawa, and not culomb, so the force decays exponentially and not like 1/r^2
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