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Apart the evidence that such assumption works in physics formulae, how can someone make a statement like that? Maybe the formuale works just because are worked around that assumption?

Why phyicist do not object something so apparentily simple that could actually be wrong?

To measure a meter you use a reference sample (say a stick).

To measure a cube meter you use a reference sample (a mini cube).

What you actually see is that ther's a relation between number of sticks and number of cubes, but you have no evidence other than that that things would not work otherwise. It seems that actual measure system is just the simplest enumerable set that explain our observations.

The most interesting point comes from a comment on this question

Just saw this one. Interesting. But beware: Who says time and space are the deepest axioms? I can construct a program in which space, at least, is an emergent property of rules that restrict how a globally accessible set of points interact with each other. That sounds pretty abstract, but if you look carefully at how quantum mechanics works, there are some uncomfortable similarities in it to just that sort of situation. Also, defining time when you are always in "now" requires you to model of the past, not touch it directly. That implies intelligence just to define t meaningfully.

  • You say that $x^3/x=x^2$ without any objection, it is the same logic here. – Gonenc Jul 07 '15 at 13:52
  • I'm not saying that, I'm really interested in complex answers, not bullying or derogatory comments. And downvotes are a defeat on your side. – CoffeDeveloper Jul 07 '15 at 13:54
  • I'm really sorry if I offended you, I didn't mean to bully you in any way. It happens to me a lot when I write instead of directly speaking to the person. There is no complex answer to your question because it is as simple as it gets. I was just giving a short and direct answer as you should do whilst writing a comment. – Gonenc Jul 07 '15 at 13:56
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    You might be interested in this Physics.SE post. – Kyle Kanos Jul 07 '15 at 13:57
  • @DarioOO I'm honestly not sure what you're question is. Why do you think the assumption that $m^3/m = m^2$ could be wrong? Am I correct to presume that $m=\textrm{metre}$? – innisfree Jul 07 '15 at 13:57
  • Why do you think this is wrong? – Hritik Narayan Jul 07 '15 at 14:05
  • Because the way actually you measure a meter or a cube meter. If by measuring a cube meter using a linear sample "m" you find that a cube meter containes "m^4" mini-cubes you achieve different conclusions. yes this question is a duplicate of "what justify dimensional analysis"thanks. – CoffeDeveloper Jul 07 '15 at 14:12
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    @DarioOO I don't think the linked question will solve your confusion. What do you mean a cube meter containes $m^4$ mini-cubes? are you sure you know why volume is measured in $m^3$ and what that means? – innisfree Jul 07 '15 at 14:19
  • How do you think the measurement of 3-dimensional volume using a one dimensional reference unit is ever going to give you a four dimensional quantity? – Hritik Narayan Jul 07 '15 at 14:24
  • Because of imagination. We could actually accept that a box is bigger inside, as long as we see that happening (there are even sci-fi movies on that concept). And infact dimensions changes with near light speed, so the "3-dimensional cartesian" things becomes something else. – CoffeDeveloper Jul 07 '15 at 14:31

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It is correct if not equivalent in most contexts. For example, if you have a cuboid tank for water, $m^3$ would be the unit used to denote its volume, $m$ the depth of water. Then, when you try to denote the ratio of volume of water to depth with the unit $m^3/m$, you suddenly realize what you are trying to mean is equivalent to its horizontal cross-sectional area, which has the unit $m^2$.

In another example in meteorology, precipitation is measured in $mm$, the rate $mm/a$. By converting the $a$ (annum or year) into SI, you will find that the rate of precipitation has the unit of velocity. This at first glance seems rather odd, and it may seem illogical to shorten $mm^3/(mm^2*a)$ to $mm/a$. However, further thought will reveal that indeed the rate of precipitation is equivalent to a speed quantity, that is the average speed at which the water level rises as a result of precipitation, not accounting for evaporation. This is true no matter the surface area of the water body, as long as the water body remains still and waveless. Therefore, yet again the shortened unit is in fact meaningfully equivalent to another quantity, therefore such usage will not pose any problem.

Now to show a bad example, where such shortening of units may be frowned upon. Lets say you have a spring, and for each meter you extend the spring you will be rewarded $1 m^3$ of soda. In this case, the reward ratio of the game would have the unit $m^3/m$, and turning it into $m^2$ would be nonsense if not esoteric. In this case, it might be useful to add subscripts to differentiate between units: $m^3_{drink}/m_{spring} $ though I have only seen this notation once before, in a McGraw Hill chemistry textbook where each $mol$ confusingly referred to the amount of a different chemical.

All I have talked about above only matters if you care about the meaning of units. If not, then such shortening is always correct, since it would then serve only the purpose of ensuring dimension and magnitude consistency. However, I personally prefer to emphasize the meaning and significance of units, since it helps me make sense of what I am calculating.

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Ever since Einstein formulated relativity we describe spacetime as a manifold equipped with a metric. Then we can use all the machinery of differential geometry to calculate properties of our spacetime. In particular, volume is defined using the volume element, $dV$, and we get volumes by integrating $dV$.

For a flat space with Cartesian coordinates the volume element is:

$$ dV = dx\,dy\,dz $$

and I hope it's obvious that this leads to the conclusion that volume of a cuboid is the area of one of it's sides times the length of the edge at right angles to that face. Hence we find $l^3/l = l^2$.

All this is by definition, and it's an adequate answer if spacetime really is a manifold equipped with a metric i.e. if a measured volume really is the same as the volume defined above. Presumably your question is asking if this is the case. If so there is no answer. The only way we have of testing a mathematical model of reality is to compare the predictions of the model with experiment, and so far experiment has failed to disprove the model of spacetime as a manifold plus metric.

For completeness we should note that in the real universe, i.e. curved spacetime, the volume element is given by:

$$ dV = \sqrt{g} dx\,dy\,dz $$

where the metric tensor $g$ is a function of $x$, $y$ and $z$. That means in curved spacetime the area of a cube is not its volume divided by the length of an edge.

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  • So actually scientists found that dV is not what is being taught at school and my question makes little/some sense, still being downvoted by someone not much open-minded :) – CoffeDeveloper Jul 08 '15 at 05:17
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    I agree that the downvoting is unfair, though I think you could have phrased your question better. The $dV$ taught at school is the correct volume element in flat spacetime if we are right that spacetime is a manifold + metric (which we probably are). So I feel no great urgency to change what's taught at school :-) – John Rennie Jul 08 '15 at 05:34
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$${m^3\over m} = {m^3\over m^1} = m^{3-1}=m^2$$

Units work the same way as algebraic quantities, at least with integer powers. A volume divided by a length will give something with the same dimensions as an area.

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  • If you take a reference cube with edges long (k) you just see that a cube wich edges are long Nk is made by N^3 cubes. So actually you gess that volume is a number of reference cubes that is m*m*m – CoffeDeveloper Jul 07 '15 at 14:25
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    I promise there's no guessing going on! – danimal Jul 07 '15 at 14:33