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If time is a dimension and 'now' simply an expression of your position with respect to that dimension, the progress of any object along that dimension should remain in step with all other objects. By this I mean that any object which moves in the time dimension by a specific amount will arrive at the same time as every other object which has moved by that specific amount. Two observers separated for any period of time and then brought together again would agree on the amount of time that had passed, regardless of any motions that either had taken in the interval, in order for them to have traveled the same distance along the time dimension.

The classic Twin Paradox however tells us that this is not the case. The twin that remains in the same inertial frame of reference during the interval will have experienced one duration, while the twin who traveled and returned through a variety of changes in inertial frames will have experienced a shorter duration. Both will agree upon being reunited that they are both present in the same 'now' but will disagree on the duration of their separation.

So if time dilation is real - which certainly appears to be the case - doesn't this require that we discard the notion of time as a dimension?

One objection I can see is that time itself is non-uniform, warped in much the same way that we believe space is, but given that objects which are spatially adjacent can experience different rates of time dilation I think that this cannot be the case. It seems that each object would have to exist in a separate temporal dimension distorted by time dilation, raising time to an unbounded number of loosely linked dimensions. No doubt friar William would object.


Please note, I am not asking what time dilation is but rather what the existence of time dilation says about Time itself. Please don't mark this as a duplicate of this question since it (a) is about the nature of time dilation and (b) appears to conclude that time dilation is an observational phenomenon and the Twin Paradox does not actually result in different measured intervals:

So in in my frame the time interval measured on my clock while I move from $A$ to $C$ is $t$, but in your frame the time interval while I move from $A$ to $C$ is the distance $AD$ i.e. it is $\gamma t$. And since $\gamma t \gt t$ you see my time dilated in the same way as I see your time dilated. It’s just that we disagree about our start and end points.

I am not talking about the observational effects caused by the successively greater or smaller travel distances of photons between the observers, I'm specifically talking about the observed phenomenon that allows high speed muons to pass through the Earth's atmosphere in much greater numbers than should be possible considering their short halflife of 2.2µs and a travel time over 8µs. If time dilation were purely observational then those muons would not act as they are observed to do.


I see that several people are still determined that this is a duplicate, but I honestly don't see the relationship, and the answers to that question certainly do not appear to answer this question. As such I strongly disagree with the duplicate question flag.

So, to expand on the question...

As I understand it there are three forms of time dilation that are often talked about:

  1. Gravitational time dilation - caused by the direct warping of spacetime by mass.

  2. Inertial time dilation - caused by or related to the inertia of the object being observed.

  3. Observational time dilation - covers all forms of perceptual time dilation related to the Doppler effect on the mediators of observation, observation being defined as interaction with particles, waves, etc. carrying information about the observed object and being necessarily bound by the speed of light.

The third type is of no interest to me as it is an illusion created by the limited speed of information transfer between objects. Such anomalies of observation are interesting but ultimately only of use in explaining why time dilation doesn't actually occur in specific examples and so do not add anything of interest here.

I'll try to illustrate my meaning a little better...

Take two objects which are spatially adjacent in a region with minimal gravitational stress (not on a planet or in the vicinity of a significant external mass). Object A remains in its current reference frame with no acceleration applied for the duration of the experiment. Starting at T0 object B is accelerated to an appreciable fraction of the speed of light, decelerated to relative rest then reverses course to return to its starting position adjacent to object A at T1, with constant rates of acceleration throughout. At the moment that object B returns to its' starting position the duration measured by both objects is recorded and a comparison made.

Both objects start and finish in the same inertial frame, both are temporally existent within the same 'now' before the experiment begins and after the experiment completes. Object A will have experienced a longer duration than object B due to inertial time dilation experienced by object B, resulting in a larger duration measurement.

At T0 and T1 both objects will agree that they exist within the same small area of spacetime which we'll call 'now'. The time portion of the coordinate must be identical since they agree on the fact of their shared now, but one has experienced a much longer duration than the other between T0 and T1.

If time is a dimension then in order for the T0 and T1 now moments to match both objects would have to traverse the same distance along that dimension, i.e. they must have experienced the same duration.

Since this is clearly not the case, as object B has measured a shorter duration, does this not demonstrate that time is not an actual dimension?

Note that I am not contesting the utility of spacetime as a conceptual model that helps to understand what happens in this type of scenario, but the existence of a temporal dimension as an aspect of existent reality.

Corey
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    "Does length contraction demonstrate that space is not a dimension?" – AccidentalFourierTransform Mar 19 '16 at 14:26
  • @AccidentalFourierTransform I don't thing that is analogous. For starters I haven't seen any evidence that length contraction is other than an observational effect. Also we can consider localized warping of space due to inertia, while a localized warping of time appears nonsensical. – Corey Mar 19 '16 at 14:43
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    If I lie on my side, the height of my computer screen becomes the width and the width becomes the height. Does this demonstrate that width is not a dimension? – WillO Mar 19 '16 at 15:13
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    Quite the reverse. Time dilation, and the twin paradox, are best understood precisely by treating time as a dimension. – John Rennie Mar 19 '16 at 15:21
  • @JohnRennie How so? Perhaps you could expand on this with an answer. – Corey Mar 19 '16 at 22:54
  • @WillO Are you arguing that time is multi-dimensional in the same way that space is? Expand in an answer if so. – Corey Mar 19 '16 at 23:24
  • Time is not a dimension. In a dimension you can move either way and you can measure with a passive mechanism like a ruler. No such thing is possible with time. Having said that, time behaves, within these limits, like a dimension in certain theories of spacetime. That should not blind us to it not being like the other dimensions, at all. – CuriousOne Mar 20 '16 at 02:06
  • I've mislead you by using the word see in the answer you quote from. Really I should use the word observe where to observe means to assign an event to some spacetime point $(t, x, y, z)$. I've gone back and edited that answer to ruthlessly eliminate the word see from it! – John Rennie Mar 20 '16 at 07:57
  • I started writing an answer but got bogged down with detail. I think the best way to discuss this would be in the chat room. I'll be around during the Physics chat session next Tuesday or I'm generally in the chat room around 17:00 UK time. The answer that you say you don't want linked as a duplicate is a duplicate - it's just that I mislead you a bit by using a poor choice of words. – John Rennie Mar 20 '16 at 08:01
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    The key point is that there is not a single time axis that everyone moved along. Every observer has their own time axis and these axes can point in different directions. So what to one observer looks like motion along the time axis can look to a different observer like a motion partially in time and partially in space. That's why different observers can disagree about far the motion has moved in time. – John Rennie Mar 20 '16 at 08:13
  • @JohnRennie I understand what 'observe' means. It doesn't matter if you're talking about photons or some other mechanism of information transfer that is limited to the speed of light. The Doppler effect on information transfer is not relevant to this question. – Corey Mar 20 '16 at 12:53
  • @JohnRennie "The key point is that there is not a single time axis that everyone moved along. Every observer has their own time axis and these axes can point in different directions." Ah, so my $x$ is somebody else's $t$? I can travel in somebody's time dimension by translating in one of my spatial dimensions... sounds like a great story but lousy science. Very Heinlein. – Corey Mar 20 '16 at 13:05
  • "I can travel in somebody's time dimension by translating in one of my spatial dimensions...". Exactly. Sometimes reality is weirder than fiction. – Stéphane Rollandin Mar 20 '16 at 13:10
  • @JohnRennie Since my local timezone is UTC+10 it's unlikely that I will be available at the 03:00 to chat about this. – Corey Mar 20 '16 at 13:12
  • Compare your statement "If time is a dimension then in order for the T0 and T1 now moments to match both objects would have to traverse the same distance along that dimension, i.e. they must have experienced the same duration." with this one: "If space is a dimension then in order for the x0 and x1 here places to match both objects would have to traverse the same distance along that dimension, i.e. they must have travelled the same number of meters." Do you see the problem ? – Stéphane Rollandin Mar 20 '16 at 13:23
  • @StéphaneRollandin No, I don't. In relation to that axis the two have traveled the same distance. That's my point. – Corey Mar 20 '16 at 13:37
  • At T0 objects A and B were both at x0. A didn't move. B moved away and came back. At T1 they are again together at x1=x0. Can't you see that B travelled more meters than A (which travelled exactly 0 meters) ? – Stéphane Rollandin Mar 20 '16 at 13:42
  • Let's say we meet "here and now". Then we part, I just stay not too far away while you go for a couple trips all around the world. Then we meet again "here and now". We clearly did not travel as much in space between our two meetings. Well, similarly, we did not travel the same distance in the time dimension, and we did not age by the same amount. – Stéphane Rollandin Mar 20 '16 at 14:00
  • @StéphaneRollandin 3 spatial dimensions, more options. 1 supposed time dimension, no room for such shenanigans. – Corey Mar 20 '16 at 14:30
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    @Corey: suppose you're moving at velocity $v$ relative to me. If I plot your axes on a spacetime diagram they will be rotated from mine by an angle of $\arctan(v/c)$. Since $v\lt c$ the maximum angle of rotation is 45º so your $x$ can't be my $t$ or vice versa. – John Rennie Mar 20 '16 at 15:20
  • @Corey. At this point I believe it is up to you to try and understand what people like amazing John Rennie and his patient explanations, Timaeus and his excellent answer, and me and my poor comments, have been telling you. Whether or not you eventually get it does not change anything to the physics of spacetime. But when you get it, I can guarantee it is much fun. – Stéphane Rollandin Mar 20 '16 at 15:37
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    Seems to me that OP's misunderstanding about SR/GR and time dilation is certainly answered by the linked duplicate, even if not to their satisfaction/understanding. – Kyle Kanos Mar 20 '16 at 16:25

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Spacetime is a 4d manifold. You have to label events to keep them different. If you called all you friends Bob, that would be confusing and problematic. If you had to assign the same spatial coordinates to all events even when they were far away. That would be equally problematic. And similarly you need time coordiabtes as well to distinguish events that are far away in time.

So you need to have coordinates to keep distinct far away things (in space or time) distinct and far away. But these are just labels and a sense of close. It's not a quantitative distance or duration.

For a quantitative theory you could choose the option that clocks and rulers have magic powers to just see these labels and tell you changes. But it's up to experiment to tell us whether this is the case.

And experiment tells us the oppsite. Experiment tells us that clocks tick differently depending on how the move. So they don't tell is the change in coordinates from event A to event B, they tell you something about a 4d path from A to B, the 4d path the clock actually took.

We can try to theorize that something is measured at each point along the path that adds up to what the clock reads along that path. Since the result is what is measured we could call that thing a metric. And we do.

So you decide there is a metric at every event and that clocks measure the metric along their 4d path. So now it comes down to making a theory about what the metric is at each point.

In SR there is one metric. And in GR there is a different metric. A warped or curved one.

So there is a four dimension, and it is time. But that's not what clocks measure. Clocks measure the metric along their path.

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  • I'm not sure that what clocks measure is at all related to what I asked, or that it necessarily follows that since clocks "measure the metric along their path" that there is necessarily a temporal dimension. And are you talking about theoretical models or actual physical reality? – Corey Mar 20 '16 at 13:09
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    @Corey There aren't three kinds of time dilation. Time is just a label, and duration is a measurement of the metric along a curve. Tape measures do the same thing as clocks they measure the metric along their paths too. Think of it this way. You can't measure time. You can measure the metric along your path, but you physically can't measure time. Assuming you can leads to problems, assuming duration is a difference in time leads to problems. And both of those were just assumptions on your part. Experimentally disproven assumptions. – Timaeus Mar 20 '16 at 15:20