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I was thinking about what would be necessary to change to have a different value for $c$ (speed of light in vacuum, or speed of anything massless, or the one that seems most fundamental to me: he maximum speed of 'making stuff happen elsewhere').

And, if $c$ was different, what that would change about the universe?

From Maxwell (I think): $c = {1}/{\sqrt{\mu_0\,\epsilon_0}}$.
Where: $\mu_0$ = permeability of free space ('how easy it is to magnetise free space'?)
and $\epsilon_0$ = permitivity of free space ('how strongly free space resists an elecectrical field'?)
(I know those definitions are very simplistic, and please tell me if they're wrong.)

Which means $c$ is inversely proportional to how easy it is to magnetise free space, and inversely proportional to how difficult it is to create an electric field in free space. (Ie, directly proportional to how easy it is?).

My initial question was: Is there a plain English explanation for why the speed of light (or the speed of causality?) is related to these two properties, and why it's inversely proportional to how easy it is to magnetise free space and to how difficult it is to create an electric field in free space? (Or, do you just have to do the maths?!)

(With a slightly hurty brain I wondered if a comment from Emilio's link answered this: "The stiffer the [medium] is (more energy to squeeze), the faster the wave. The more inertia, the slower the wave")

BUT as PM2Ring explained below, $c = {1}/{\sqrt{\mu_0\,\epsilon_0}}$ is just the way that EM waves behave in the universe, so this original question of mine was flawed from the outset.

Part 2 of my question was if $\mu_0$ and $\epsilon_0$ were different and $c$ was slightly larger/smaller), what would the universe look like? And would the wheels fall off the apple cart if that were the case? Would I still be here to ask this question? (Ie, specifically thinking about $\mu_0$ and $\epsilon_0$, but now that i know they are not what defines $c$, that question is also moot.) I do think it's an interesting creative exercise to image a universe with $c$ = a million times as fast, or only the speed of a cart horse, though!

So my understanding (thanks to wonderful explanations below) is that:
$c = {1}/{\sqrt{\mu_0\,\epsilon_0}}$ is how EM waves behave in our universe
$\alpha = \frac1{4\pi\epsilon_0} \frac{e^2}{\hbar c} \approx \frac 1{137}$ is a happy coincidence. ('Happy' in that it allows wheels stay on apple carts, stars to form, and me to ask this question.)

And as for why $c = c$, the best answer might be it's a fundamental part of our universe, and no-one knows why that's the case.

If those answers look right, I'll change this to question answered.

Errol Hunt
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  • Related: http://physics.stackexchange.com/q/144262/2451 and links therein. – Qmechanic Nov 07 '16 at 04:27
  • Related question here. – knzhou Nov 07 '16 at 06:00
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    From a theoretical perspective, the values of $\mu_0$ and $\epsilon_0$ are pretty much meaningless, and there's no reason not to set one or both of them to 1 (as is done in the Lorentz-Heaviside system of units). Their existence is basically just a historical accident. – tparker Nov 07 '16 at 06:39
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    This has been asked a bunch of times on this site: The origin of the value of speed of light in vacuum, Why does the speed of light $c$ have the value it does?, and their many linked duplicates (see sidebar on the right). If your specific question is not answered in any of those, then please make this post specific to those aspects, and remove the parts that are already addressed elsewhere. – Emilio Pisanty Nov 07 '16 at 11:01
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  • Thanks Emilio - Mark's answer on your 1st ref is great. Particularly this " The stiffer the [medium] is (more energy to squeeze), the faster the wave. The more inertia, the slower the wave" (which made me wonder for a moment about opposite effects of ease of mag and ease of elec in $c = {1}/{\sqrt{\mu_0,\epsilon_0}}$). It's not quite what I was after (which was 'what would have to change for the max speed of everything to change'). BUT as I said in comment below to PM 2Ring, I think it sounds like my question was fundamentally flawed to start with. And 'we don't know' is the answer? – Errol Hunt Nov 07 '16 at 23:10
  • It's not particularly clear to me what you're actually asking, and your edit simply made the question far less clear. Are you asking why $c$ has the numerical value that it does? (the answer being that the question is meaningless.) Or are you asking why the speed of light that comes out of electromagnetism matches the invariant speed of special relativity? – Emilio Pisanty Nov 08 '16 at 01:24
  • Also on the list of meaningless questions: "if $c$ was different, what that would change about the universe?", cf. this thread. If you want to change $c$, you need to specify what stays constant: it's tempting to say "well, I want $\hbar$ and $e^2$ and $\epsilon_0$ to stay constant, and also the fine-structure constant..." - until you realize that since $\alpha = e^2/\hbar c 4\pi\epsilon_0$, this is impossible, and you need to let one of those go. Until you specify which of those also changes, the question is meaningless. – Emilio Pisanty Nov 08 '16 at 01:27
  • Thanks Emilio. Yes, as I mentioned, I only realised after reading people's excellent answers that my original question was deeply flawed. I've edited the question, as requested, to make that clear. I would be interested in the answer to the question you pose though! (why the speed of light that comes out of electromagnetism matches the invariant speed of special relativity?) – Errol Hunt Nov 08 '16 at 02:23

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Historically, we first encountered $c$ as the speed of light in a vacuum, and Maxwell's $c = {1}/{\sqrt{\mu_0\,\epsilon_0}}$ shows that $c$ is invariant. But something having an invariant speed doesn't make sense under Galilean relativity, and physicists from Maxwell onwards tried to resolve that difficulty on the basis that it was something to do with electromagnetism.

That was a reasonable approach to take because (as far as they had observed) relativistic effects only appeared in connection to electromagnetic phenomena. Eventually Einstein realised that electromagnetism was a red herring, and that those weird deviations from Galilean relativity could be simply explained by assuming a fundamental connection between space and time that had not been previously expected. In other words, the relativistic weirdness happens whenever sufficiently high speeds are involved, it's not due to the electromagnetic nature of light and electrons.

In special relativity, Einstein introduced the notion of the spacetime interval between two events. This is an invariant quantity for all inertial observers, and it is given by the equation

$$s^2 = \Delta r^2 - c^2 \Delta t^2$$

where $\Delta r$ is the spatial separation between the two events in some inertial frame, $\Delta t$ is the time interval between them in that frame, and $c$ is (of course) the speed of light. Observers in different frames will measure different values of $\Delta r$ & $\Delta t$ between 2 given events, but they will all get the same value when they calculate the $s$ between those 2 events.

An important implication of this is that what is a purely spacelike interval to one observer (i.e. $\Delta t = 0$) will be an interval with both space & time components to another observer moving at non-zero velocity with respect to the first observer. And of course the same thing can be said about a purely timelike interval.

So in special relativity $c$ is fundamentally a scaling factor that relates pure time-like intervals to pure space-like intervals. And with appropriate choice of units we can set $c = 1$ (as anna v describes in her answer), so the above equation simplifies to

$$s^2 = \Delta r^2 - \Delta t^2$$

These equations basically say that although space and time are fundamentally different, the magnitude (size) of a spatial interval of one light-second is the same as the magnitude of a temporal interval of one second. When drawing spacetime diagrams we typically use natural units where $c = 1$ so an interval of 1 second has the same length in the diagram as an interval of 1 light-second, and the path of a photon will always be at 45° to the space and time axes. If we use a non-unitary value for $c$ the cells of the spacetime grid get squashed. :)

So of your 3 "definitions" of $c$ (speed of light in vacuum, or speed of anything massless, or max speed of 'making stuff happen'), the last one is the more fundamental, but even more fundamental is to think of $c$ as the "slope" of spacetime.

Because observers moving at different velocities disagree on what's a purely spacelike or purely timelike interval they will naturally disagree on what's the magnetic component and what's the electric component of an electromagnetic field, which brings us back to Maxwell's equations. So $c = {1}/{\sqrt{\mu_0\,\epsilon_0}}$ isn't really a defining equation for $c$, it's simply expressing the relationship between the magnetic component and electric component of the electromagnetic field in spacetime.

But why does spacetime have the particular slope that it does? We don't know! Of course, in natural units it has a slope of 1, even if we lived in a universe that was different to this one, but that's just weaseling out of the question. :)

PM 2Ring
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  • Thanks PM 2Ring! That's a magnificent answer. And yes it is the maximum speed of making things happen that I'm really interested in.

    Tho it does mean my whole question is just plain wrong, doesn't it?

    Is this right: $\frac1{4\pi\epsilon_0} \frac{e^2}{\hbar c} \approx \frac 1{137}$ is a happy coincidence that makes life possible $c = {1}/{\sqrt{\mu_0,\epsilon_0}}$ is the way EM waves behave in the universe And $c = c$ just is, and we don't know why.

    Which means there's no way to ask my question properly, and my only edit should be to strike it out and write 'woo', instead!

    – Errol Hunt Nov 07 '16 at 22:49
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It so happens in the universe we find ourselves that three basic units can define all other units. They correspond to space time and mass, in the original unit systems, if one defines a unit for space (distances),mass, and time, everything else measured can be expressed in these units.

This led to the so called "natural units" where one chooses to set three basic constants, i.e. constants which are basic to the mathematical models developed to describe data/measurements, to 1 and simplify the maths.

In particle physics it is ħ = c = k_B = 1, k_B the Boltzmann constant

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This sets the stage for the effect of changing units. Units can change as long as the three basic ones keep their relationship constant. In natural units the two numbers , permeability and permitivity of space would not change as long as the three basic units could be set to one, because the exact same theories would describe the data.

If this equality relationship were broken the theories would give different predictions and if broken too much life as we know it would not exist.

Why the constants are such that the theories fit the data belongs to the set of "whys" that physics cannot answer. Physics develops mathematical models which show us "how" nature acts. The answer to "why" can be explained within a model with "how" one goes from one set of equations to another. But such basic "whys" cannot be answered within the models except with "because this fits what we have observed'.

anna v
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