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Here is a very simple example:

The definition of an electric field is $$\vec E = \frac{\text{Force}}{\text{Charge}}=\frac{\vec F}{Q}$$ and it's dimensions are N$\mathrm{C}^{-1}$ (Newtons per Coulomb).

But newtons per coulomb has the same dimensionality as V$\mathrm{m}^{-1}$ (Volts per Metre).

If we are just considering the magnitude of the quantity $\vec E$;

Is it valid to write $$\fbox{$|\vec E| = \frac{\text{Voltage}}{\text{Length of conductor}}=\frac{V}{\ell}$}\tag{1}$$ since the dimensions are the same?


EDIT:

I have now had a chance to read all of your answers and comments and acknowledge that the general answer to this question (in the title) is no.

Thank you to all that responded; I really appreciate your time! The answers are wonderful!

However, many of you have said that it is also invalid to write equation $(1)$ as I did at the start.

In one of the answers @user121330 mentioned that "You should provide the actual example if you want more clarity". I also mentioned in a comment below this question that I would "upload the example I spoke of"; so here it is:

Electric Fields

This is page 107 from "Physics 2 for OCR" by authors David Sang and Gurinder Chadha first published in 2009 by Cambridge University Press and has ISBN: 978-0-521-73830-9.

More information about the book can be found on their website www.cambridge.org/9780521738309


More importantly is that equation $(1)$ is also being used to derive Ohm's Law:

Ohm's Law

This was a small extract taken from my lecturer's notes.


So does it seem that electric field cannot be written as $$E=-\frac{V}{\ell}$$ or in magnitude as $$E=\frac{V}{\ell}$$ and both the book and my lecturer are wrong?

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Is it valid to write $$|\vec E| = \frac{\text{Voltage}}{\text{Length of conductor}}=\frac{V}{\ell}$$ since the dimensions are the same?

No, because instead of $E=V/\ell$, the answer could just as easily be $E=V/2\ell$ or $E=\pi V/\ell$. That is, such an approach can at best give an answer that is ambiguous up to a universal unitless factor.

That doesn't mean the technique is useless. If you're already convinced for physical or mathematical reasons that there should be an equation of the form $E=f(V,\ell)$ for some function $f$, then this technique greatly narrows down the possibilities, which provides a check on your result when you actually solve the problem. In some cases, the unitless constant of proportionality may not even be needed, e.g., if you're only going to use your result to form a ratio like $E_1/E_2$ that compares two different cases.

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Is it valid to write $$|\vec E| = \frac{\text{Voltage}}{\text{Length of conductor}}=\frac{V}{\ell}$$ since the dimensions are the same?

No. In part, $\vert \vec E\vert \ne \frac{V}{\ell}$ in general but rather $\vec E=-\vec\nabla V$, which has the same units as $V/\ell$ since $\vec\nabla=\hat x\frac{\partial }{\partial x}+\hat y\frac{\partial }{\partial y}+\hat z\frac{\partial }{\partial z}$. Another example would be $$ v=\frac{dx}{dt}\ne \frac{x}{t} $$
in general.

In addition, dimensional analysis does not provide you with correct dimensionless proportionality factors. Thus, the volume of a sphere $v=\frac{4}{3}\pi r^3$ not just $r^3$, which has units of volume.

In general, dimensional analysis can help you conclude that $v\propto r^3$ or that $V$ is proportional to $\vec E\vert$ multiplied by a distance (in general $V\sim \int \vec E\cdot d \vec\ell$) but dimensional analysis does not capture spatial changes such as $E_x=-\frac{dV}{dx}$ or rates of change so as $a=\frac{dv}{dt}$.

(see also here)

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The current answers touch on some important points, but remain far from the worst case scenario.

To see this, consider the possibility of some units cancelling out completely. A common example of this is the resistance $R$ (units of Ohms) of a wire as a function of its resistivity $\rho$ (units of Ohms per meter). Based on the units of these quantities, you might expect the resistance of some wire of length $\ell$ to be given by $R = \rho / \ell$, but this is wildly wrong. In fact, the resistance is given by $R = \rho \ell / A$, where $A$ is the wire's cross-sectional area.

Dimensional analysis can often give good intuition to what some possible solutions to a problem might be, but it should never be the sole tool used to reach a conclusion.

  • If you think you need a formula where $R$ is a function of $\rho$ and $\ell$ alone, you are led to your $R = \rho / \ell$ (modulo a dimensionless constant coefficient). But if you realize $A$ could be relevant as well, anything of the form $R = \rho \ell^{2x-1} / A^x$ for some arbitrary exponent $x$ seems to work. Taking $x=0$ brings us back to the first bad formula. With $x=\frac12$, it is $\ell$ that disappears. So you are right dimensional analysis will not be enough here. $R=\rho \ell^{199} / A^{100}$ – Jeppe Stig Nielsen Jul 08 '17 at 00:31
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Probably not. It appears that you've stumbled upon Buckingham-Pi theory which results from the fact that one may not add two quantities that have different units. This is the one of the most naive ways to build a physical model, but it does have some utility. In the context you've given, it would be more correct to write

$$|\vec E| = k \frac{V}{l} $$

which may reduce to the simplified form you provided. This can be a valid way to begin the process of building a more robust model, but if there is no experimental data validating the model and no further clarification, their conclusions aren't worth much.

It's also possible that the author is defining some new quantity. You should provide the actual example if you want more clarity.

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The author is not simply writing an equation that matches with the units. Instead, they are saving themselves from having to explain calculus or differential equations to you. The Electric field is constant and co-linear with the resistor, so $V = - \int_C\mathbf E \cdot d\mathbf l = |E| l$.

The unfortunate fact is that your first go at any physics happens before you have the math to understand it. That means that authors and professors have to be clever and wave their hands madly whenever they want to show you something interesting. This pattern will continue for your entire physics career.

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