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If a quantum particle/system has not been measured/observed yet, how can you know it is in several places/states at the same time?

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Kurt Hikes
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    That is not the typical interpretation of QM. The system actually has no defined location/state until measurement. – BioPhysicist Nov 08 '18 at 11:41
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    ... Notice that also when an observable of the particle has been measured it stays in a superposition of states of different values for other observables. – Valter Moretti Nov 08 '18 at 11:50
  • @KurtHikes The post https://physics.stackexchange.com/q/438114/206691 is related. That post doesn't refer specifically to particle-location observables, but it does illustrate how we know that observables generally don't have defined values until we measure them. – Chiral Anomaly Nov 08 '18 at 13:54
  • @Aaron Stevens: "That is not the typical interpretation of QM." But that is what seems to be the most common description in popular publications like Discover, Scientific American, etc. – D. Halsey Nov 08 '18 at 15:57
  • @D.Halsey You are exactly right, and it annoys me greatly. – BioPhysicist Nov 08 '18 at 16:08
  • A "state" in quantum mechanics is a description of the quantum mechanical ensemble. It's not a description of the individual system. There simply is no description of the individual quantum system in physics. This is no different from probability theory, which makes statements about the averages of dice rolls, but says nothing about the outcome of each individual roll. A pair of dice that has not been rolled, yet, does not have "an outcome". A quantum system that has not been measured does not have a state. – FlatterMann Apr 08 '23 at 17:11

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Weak measurements allow you to find out stuff without causing the collapse of the wavefunction.

In quantum mechanics (and computation & information), weak measurements are a type of quantum measurement that results in an observer obtaining very little information about the system on average, but also disturbs the state very little.

On a side note, I don't believe it's common to say that the body's in several states at once: it's better to say that it's described by a single linear superposition state.

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If a quantum particle/system has not been measured/observed yet,

In quantum mechanics models, the only deterministic solutions are the moduli of the wavefunctions , and what these moduli determine is the probability distribution of measuring a particle at (x,y,z,t) or with specific energy momentum fourvector. If you have modeled your system well, that is the only "know" you have.

how can you know it is in several places/states at the same time?

A particle or a system when measured give one instance in the probability distribution, and it will need many measurements to validate the distribution and be sure the model is correct. One measurement will not do it, because the system will be in one of the allowed locations by the predicted probability distribution.

Here is an experiment with a simple system : " one electron at a time scattering on two slits of specific width and distance apart"

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Each individual electron materializes at the $(x,y,z_0)$ of the screen at different times from the others. It leaves a footprint of a point particle. It is not spread all over the available phase space. At the top, the footprints look random and countable. Accumulating many electrons illustrates the build up of the probability distribution, and lo, an interference pattern appears. This validates that the electron is a quantum mechanical entity, described by a wavefunction solution of the Dirac equation, and the specific accumulation of points builds up the probability distribution expected from interactions of quantum mechanical entities.

That is the only thing we can "know" of quantum mechanical entities. The mathematics used to model the behavior of quantum mechanical systems should not be taken as describing mass and energy distribution spreads , because experiments show that they do not.(There is no measurement of spread out single electrons).

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If a quantum particle/system has not been measured/observed yet, how can you know it is in several places/states at the same time?

That is not a good description of what's going on in quantum theory. In quantum theory measurable quantities have discrete values and if you measure that quantity with enough sensitivity in the right circumstances you can detect that discreteness. For example, if you pass a monochromatic laser beam through dark filters you can reduce the amount of energy in the beam and if you use enough filtering a sensitive enough detector will go off intermittently and will always detect the same energy when it does go off.

Now, if you take this dimmed laser beam and shine it at a pair of slits in an interference experiment and wait for many photons to go through the experiment you will see a pattern of light and dark bars. If you cover up one of the slits you'll see a different pattern of light and dark bars. This means that some places on the detector that was light with one slits is dark with two slits. So something is coming through the second slit to prevent the arrival of photons at that dark location. If you put a detector in the experiment then you will only ever see a photon at one place so the photon isn't splitting into chunks. And whatever is causing the change in pattern is affected by lenses, mirrors etc just as light would be affected. The only account I have seen of what is happening during the experiment claims that there are multiple versions of the photon interacting between the slits and the detectors but we can only directly interact with one version. But this means that the multiple versions of the photon are interacting with lenses, detectors etc that we don't see so all of those objects exist in multiple versions too. In this view reality looks a bit like a collection of parallel universes: this is called the many worlds interpretation. Despite the fact that there is no other explanation of what's happening in single particle interference experiment and many other experiments the MWI is rejected by many physicists for reasons that are unclear.

For more explanation see "The Fabric of Reality" by David Deutsch and

https://arxiv.org/abs/2205.00568

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=51hikWhM8vE

https://arxiv.org/abs/quant-ph/0104033

https://arxiv.org/abs/0707.2832

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  • The EM field is coming thru both slits, from the excited atom/electron .... long before real photon emission .... these are called virtual photons/forces. There is no mystery and no need for MWI. – PhysicsDave Aug 09 '23 at 12:44
  • If the field isn't real, then it can't change the position of the real things detected on the screen. But what is present along all of the possible paths from the source to the detectors does change what is detected, so something real is travelling down all those paths. – alanf Aug 10 '23 at 07:11
  • Also, the state doesn't describe the emission of a real photon at one particular time. At any given time and place there is some probability of detecting a photon. The kind of theory you're describing is entirely different from quantum theory and is more like the pilot wave theory or transactional interpretation. For criticisms of the pilot wave theory see https://physics.stackexchange.com/questions/189047/flaws-of-broglie-bohm-pilot-wave-theory/386154#386154 – alanf Aug 10 '23 at 07:12
  • The term "virtual" is a placeholder for real forces and real momentum transfer but note that there is no energy exchange. There is nothing not real about it. – PhysicsDave Aug 10 '23 at 11:22
  • The EM field is everywhere with its forces and energy transfers ..... the Feynman path integral is a modern method of calculating where the probabilities are highest for "paths". In the DSE these paths coincide with the classical calculations ... photons travel highest probability paths that are multiples of their wavelength. – PhysicsDave Aug 10 '23 at 11:28
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This is a crucial question in quantum foundations, but any time you're asking about what's happening when you're not looking, your answer will necessarily be model-dependent. Different approaches to quantum foundations will therefore give you a different answer to your question.

One perspective in which it's not true that a particle is in two places at once is called Bohmian mechanics. In this approach, each particle really is just one classical particle, on one particular trajectory through space and time. Meanwhile, that particle interacts with an invisible "wavefunction" which steers it around, essentially providing each particle information about what is going on elsewhere. In the double-slit experiment, the wavefunction goes through both slits, while each particle only goes through one. The interactions between the particle and the wavefunction then explain the eventual observed interference pattern.

One perspective in which it is true that a particle is in two places at once is the Everettian or Many-Worlds interpretation. In this case, there's no division between things than happen in spacetime (like Bohmian particles) and things that happen in a massive configuration space (like Bohmian wavefunctions). Instead, absolutely everything is in the latter category, even the experimental apparatus and any experimenters. Since each particle is now part of a massive entangled wavefunction, at any moment it's impossible to identify one point in spacetime at which the particle exists (and arguably difficult to make sense of spacetime in the first place). Indeed, even if you think you've measured a particle to be at point A, an Everettian view would insist that the "you" who thinks that the particle is at point A is just part of the bigger reality, and other aspects of the particle will still necessarily also be somewhere else entirely (perhaps as observed by some other version of "you" in the universal wavefunction). So in this case it's absolutely fair to say that each particle is two places at once... and curiously, this conclusion doesn't change upon measurement.

A more conventional view is to read off the standard quantum mathematics and assume that those mathematical quantities represent the underlying reality. To the extent that this is coherent, such a view would take the collapse of the quantum wavefunction literally, in which case you would say that the particle is more than one place at a time until it's measured, at which point it becomes localized. Of course this also happens to track with our knowledge of the particle -- we don't know where it is until we look -- and it also brings in the famous "measurement problem" of somehow finding a way to formally distinguish a measurement from a mere interaction in a non-anthropocentric manner.

So, I'm afraid that there's no scientific consensus as to the answer to your question because there's not yet any consensus in the field of quantum foundations.

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