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I learnt that everything is made of field, there is the electron field that occupy the entire universe and it will produce an electron which is an excitation of the field. This electron interacts with the higgs field that give it it's mass and it also carries a negative electric charge, I am wondering why can't an electron through interaction with a say charge field instead? I also know there is the electric field but you need to have a charge to create an electric field just like a mass creating gravitational field.

user6760
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  • Are you asking if charge could be produced in the same way as mass i.e. by some process akin to the Higgs mechanism? – John Rennie Jan 31 '19 at 08:03
  • @JohnRennie: I believe particle have mass through interaction with higgs field so mass is not considered to be an intrinsic property such as spin, I am thinking why can't particle have charge by interacting with a field(I'm making up a new field called charge field) instead of intrinsic property. – user6760 Jan 31 '19 at 08:11
  • Related: https://physics.stackexchange.com/q/4238/2451 – Qmechanic Mar 04 '19 at 16:32

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Charge and mass are very different properties because charge originates from a fundamental symmetry while mass does not. Indeed a non-zero mass breaks a fundamental symmetry. This difference is why we believe the two properties have different origins.

Charge arises from a symmetry of the Dirac Lagrangian This is nicely described by JamalS's answer to What is charge actually? How to define it? In the Standard model it is associated with the $U(1)$ symmetry. Any theory with this symmetry will inevitably have a property homologous to electric charge. No external mechanism is needed to produce it.

By contrast mass is not a fundamental property and is not required by any symmetries. Indeed the $SU(2)$ symmetry of the Standard Model is only possible when all particles are massless. So we believe that all particles are fundamentally massless and mass only exists because there is some external mechanism to produce it. That of course being the Higgs mechanism.

So at least in quantum field theory the answer to your question is that no, charge is not produced by a mechanism akin to the Higgs.

John Rennie
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We do have charged fields, such as the electron, which you mention. Do you mean can the electromagnetic force be attributed to a type of field called a charge field? Well it sort of can (at a stretch), it's called the photon field.

The photon field appears in quantum electrodynamics or QED, which is our quantum field theoretic description of the electromagnetic force. The photon mediates the electromagnetic force between charged fields.

I must stress though that the photon doesn't interact with itself. That means that it isn't itself charged. So calling it the charge field could be quite misleading.

The photon field, however, shouldn't be thought of as the ''origin of charge'', in the same way that the Higgs field could be said to provide the ''origin of mass.'' The mass and charge assignments of the known particles are both puzzles; we don't know why they have the values they do. However, whereas the existence of mass itself is a problem (solved by the Higgs), the existence of charge isn't a problem. Thus there is no reason to expect that any field plays the role of the Higgs with respect to charge.

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  • How about the W boson? While it mediates weak interactions, their essence seem to be in transferring the electric charge from one particle to another. For example, a proton can interact with an electron by transferring the electric charge in the form of W. The electron left without the charge becomes a neutrino while its charge (W) converts the proton to a neutron. Can the W-boson field be called "an electric charge" field in the sense of the OP's question? – safesphere Jan 31 '19 at 07:27
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Charge is not a field; charge is a coupling constant measuring the probability of interaction between two fields: a matter field and a gauge field.

For example, the electric charge of an electron, $-e$, measures how strongly the electron field couples to the photon field... basically, how likely an electron is emit or absorb a photon.

Amother way to think about it is that fields correspond to particles, the particle being a quantum of the field. There is no “electric charge particle”, so there is no “electric charge field”. Instead, various particles have various electric charges depending on how strongly they couple to photons.

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  • I see what you're getting at, but should we really say that charge is a coupling constant? or that it measures the probability of an interaction? That's a bit non-standard. – innisfree Jan 31 '19 at 06:57
  • https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coupling_constant – G. Smith Jan 31 '19 at 06:59
  • Well, I don't much like saying it's a coupling constant. The coupling constant governs the strength of the interaction, runs with energy etc. Charg is a conserved quantity associated with a symmetry. Different fields have different charge assignments etc, but all interact via the same coupling constant – innisfree Jan 31 '19 at 07:02
  • https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fine-structure_constant “Alpha is related to the probability that an electron will emit or absorb a photon.” Alpha is simply the square of the charge in natural units. – G. Smith Jan 31 '19 at 07:02
  • Yes, indeed the coupling constant is related to probabilities but honestly, the way you've interpreted and rephrased that is quite peculiar. – innisfree Jan 31 '19 at 07:04
  • “the electric charge of a particle is a coupling constant that characterizes an interaction with two charge-carrying fields and one photon field” - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coupling_constant – G. Smith Jan 31 '19 at 07:06
  • You seem to have learned QFT very differently than I did. – G. Smith Jan 31 '19 at 07:06
  • and taught it differently too ;) – innisfree Jan 31 '19 at 07:07
  • don't be so rude. consider the possibility that your answer is genuinely peculiarly phrased. all the best. – innisfree Jan 31 '19 at 07:10
  • I’ve deleted the comment that offended you. – G. Smith Jan 31 '19 at 07:11
  • @innisfree You are not alone in your assessment from both perspectives. – safesphere Jan 31 '19 at 07:16
  • “Charge functions as a coupling constant.” - Martinus Veltman, “Facts and Mysteries in Elementary Particle Physics”, p.73. Are you two really going to argue with Veltman? I suspect that I could easily find similar quotes by Feynman, etc. This is a completely mainstream view. – G. Smith Jan 31 '19 at 07:33
  • @PM2Ring No. Real photons and virtual photons couple to electrons in exactly the same way. There is only one kind of electromagnetic vertex in Feynman diagrams, and the coupling constant in that vertex is $e$. – G. Smith Jan 31 '19 at 07:47
  • They seem useful. – G. Smith Jan 31 '19 at 07:52
  • I don't think I particularly object to Veltman's phrasing, though it would depend on the full context of the quote. Why do you think Veltman chose to write functions as instead of the simpler is? – innisfree Jan 31 '19 at 08:27
  • Anyway, enough already, the answer isn't wrong, I just thought it sounded odd. I think we are finished, I think it is a matter of taste – innisfree Jan 31 '19 at 08:30