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I randomly stumbled over a tiktok about space-time curvature (very scientific I know, but I think the visualization it contains is a good one). Now, the second visualization (curved grid, static over time) is how I picture spacetime curvature in my mind: this is a popular way of visualizing spacetime curvature, see e.g. this or this video, even though it may be a misleading representation. However, in the last bit of the animation, curved space-time actually flows over time in the direction of its curvature.

Does that actually happen? Do objects not just move in the direction of space-time curvature but instead space-time itself flows in that direction and 'carries' the objects along?

Edit: since the original tiktok may not be available to everyone, here is another video: A new way to visualize General Relativity.

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    Note that the picture of space "flowing" into the Earth is still only able to show three dimensions. What you're seeing is a series of snapshots at fixed time played one after another. Points in (static) spacetime are not moving towards massive objects. – Charlie Mar 16 '21 at 14:01
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    Look here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wrwgIjBUYVc – Deschele Schilder Mar 16 '21 at 14:44
  • That visualization is not a good one I'm afraid. It just plots "curvy" coordinates in flat space and makes them "shimmer". That is not any representation of curved spacetime (or space). The coordinates of a polar plot look circular but it is still a flat surface. – m4r35n357 Mar 16 '21 at 18:52
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    I think there is something called Cauchy foliations that somehow align with time that can be used in numerical general relativity. Have not seen them visualized. – Emil Mar 18 '21 at 06:34
  • Related ("river model"): https://physics.stackexchange.com/q/411945/226902, https://physics.stackexchange.com/q/183905/226902, https://physics.stackexchange.com/q/260824/226902, https://physics.stackexchange.com/q/676267/226902. – Quillo Feb 13 '23 at 17:25
  • TikTok vodeo is unavaliable if you do not have an account. YouTube videos: https://youtu.be/eNhJY-R3Gwg "GR in 7 Levels of Difficulty", https://youtu.be/DYq774z4dws "What is General Relativity?" ,https://youtu.be/wrwgIjBUYVc "A new way to visualize General Relativity" (already linked in previous comment), https://youtu.be/GKD1vDAPkFQ "How Does Gravity Warp the Flow of Time?". – Quillo Feb 13 '23 at 17:39
  • TikTok is not currently the best source of general physics information. Textbooks are still the best source. A textbook is like a TikTok, but it is made out of paper and lasts longer than 30 seconds. – hft Feb 13 '23 at 18:19
  • Related: https://physics.stackexchange.com/q/522914/226902 Is this explanation to laymen of how curved space time makes you experience gravity correct? – Quillo Feb 15 '23 at 07:56

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Do objects not just kove in the direction of spacetime curvature?

I'm not sure what you mean by "the direction of spacetime curvature". A direction is a vector whilst curvature is a tensor. The direction that a particle moves on a fixed spacetime is along a geodesic, the spacetime analogue of a straight line.

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  • "The direction of curvature" is a sloppy term, but the OP is probably thinking about this: https://physics.stackexchange.com/q/86551/226902 – Quillo Feb 15 '23 at 08:07
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I don't think most of the popular representations of curved spacetime are very good.

Space is flat (or a very good approximation to flat) - you only need to look out the window to see that. It is spacetime that is curved. If you want to visualise spacetime, you need to treat time in the same way as a spacial dimension. It helps if you are familiar with Minkowski diagrams.

In GTR straight lines are replaced with "geodesics", which look like straight lines "up close". (The earth's surface looks flat up close - it isn't) Objects move along geodesics (straight lines) like they normally do, but curvature gives the impression of gravity. I.e. gravity is a "fake" force.

Anyway you can "see" spacetime curvature in the spacetime diagram below. Time runs along the horizontal axis, height runs along the vertical axis. Ignoring the physical extension of the cannonball and friction etc...

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  • A cannonball is fired from a cannon at A. It moved along a geodesic (straight line in curved space) and drops to C.

  • At the same time a cannon ball is dropped from A to B along another geodesic (straight line in curved space).

  • When the cannon ball arrives at B, a 3rd cannon ball is fired at high speed along another geodesic (straight line in spacetime) and miraculously strikes the first cannonball at C.

The trajectory of the cannonballs forms a warped triangle whose interior angles sum to greater than 180 degrees, confirming that spacetime is curved in the presence of gravity.

The TicTok representation is inaccurate. In a spacetime, the earth would be a cylinder not a globe, with geodesics (e.g. trajectories of satellites) twisted around it. Note also that in GTR spacetime is "static" - everything has already "happened" in the same way everything has already happened in a movie. Einstein called time an illusion for this reason. So, spacetime does not "flow" whatever that means.

It is impossible to visualise an arbitrary curved 4D surface on a flat 2D surface like a computer screen. The diagram below is from the cover of Gravitation by Wheeler et. al. and probably the best diagram I've seen showing how curvature leads to gravitation. Hope that helps.

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  • "Space is flat (or a very good approximation to flat) - you only need to look out the window to see that. " You must have a very remarkable window! – D. Halsey Feb 14 '23 at 23:28