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I was thinking about a really simple inverted pendulum of length $L$, mass $M$ and made this free-body diagram:

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I decided to apply Newton's second law relative to the origin (pivot) and to the centroid (location of the force $F_g$), giving equations (1) and (2) respectively:

$$\sum \tau_{o}=-F_{g}\cdot \frac{L}{2}\sin\left( \theta \right)=I_0 \ddot{\theta} \tag{1}$$ $$\sum \tau_{c}=H\cdot \frac{L}{2}\cos\left (\theta\right)-V\cdot \frac{L}{2}\sin\left(\theta \right)=I_{c}\ddot{\theta} \tag{2}$$

If I consider the pendulum as a rod, $I_c=ML^2/12$ and $I_0=ML^2/3$. Are both approaches valid? Do they give the same response of the system?

  • What is the meaning of the symbols you use here? Most are undefined. – nasu Jul 23 '21 at 22:33
  • V and H are the vertical and horizontal reaction forces at the pivot, Fg is the weight of the rod, theta is the angle between the rod and vertical axis, Ic and Io are the inertia moments with respect to the origin and centroid – Enzo Charles Jul 23 '21 at 22:37
  • So, the pivot is at the bottom end of the rod? – nasu Jul 23 '21 at 22:40
  • Why don't you simply develop the equations (solve the ODEs)? – Gert Jul 23 '21 at 22:40
  • Yes, it's an inverted pendulum. I will try to edit the main post. @Gert I will, I'm almost sure equation (1) will give a sensible response, but I'm wondering about equation (2) from a conceptual standpoint – Enzo Charles Jul 23 '21 at 22:53
  • I'm fairly sure (eyeballing) that both equations will give the same result if you use the small angle approximation $\sin\theta\approx \theta$ – Gert Jul 23 '21 at 22:57
  • Please use Mathjax to enter mathematical expressions on Physics SE, as it is the site standard. Images of text or equations are very strongly discouraged and can result in downvotes – joseph h Jul 24 '21 at 01:30
  • Gotcha. Will do in the future! – Enzo Charles Jul 24 '21 at 02:32
  • I've answered a similar question here https://physics.stackexchange.com/a/623480/217289. It's best to calculate with the centroid, calculate the rotation about another point other than the centroid is not always true. – Tieu Binh Jul 24 '21 at 12:28
  • Thank you, Tieu. So would equation (2) be more reliable overall? That surprises me. I find a little counterintuitive to calculate the rotation relative to the centroid when I see the pendulum swinging around the pivot. In this particular case, is equation (1) wrong? – Enzo Charles Jul 24 '21 at 13:09

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No, the two approaches, as you have presented them, would not be equivalent. The first one is accurate. The second is not. You are missing the Newton's equations for the motion of the center of mass of the rod. With their help you would be able to express the components $H$ and $V$ of the reaction force and plug them in the torque equation to reach an equation, equivalent to the one from the first approach.

\begin{align} & x_c \,\hat{i} \, + \, y_c\,\hat{j} \, = \, \frac{L}{2}\,\sin(\theta) \, \hat{i} \, +\, \frac{L}{2}\,\cos(\theta) \, \hat{j} \end{align}

The full set of equations of motion are

\begin{align} & M\frac{d^2}{dt^2} \big(\, x_c \,\hat{i} \, + \, y_c\,\hat{j} \,\big) \,=\, H \, \hat{i} \, + \,V \, \hat{j} \,- \,Mg\,\hat{j}\\ &\\ &I_c\frac{d^2\theta}{dt^2} \,\hat{k} \, = \, \big(\, - x_c \,\hat{i} \, - \, y_c\,\hat{j} \,\big)\times \big(\,H \, \hat{i} \, + \,V \, \hat{j}\,\big) \end{align}

Plug expressions

\begin{align} & \frac{ML}{2}\,\frac{d^2}{dt^2} \big(\, \sin(\theta) \, \hat{i} \, +\,\cos(\theta) \, \hat{j} \,\big) \,=\, H \, \hat{i} \, + \,\big(\,V \,- \,Mg\,\big)\hat{j}\\ &\\ &I_c\frac{d^2\theta}{dt^2} \,\hat{k} \, = \, -\,\frac{L}{2}\big(\, \sin(\theta) \, \hat{i} \, +\,\cos(\theta) \, \hat{j} \,\big)\times \big(\,H \, \hat{i} \, + \,V \, \hat{j}\,\big) \end{align}

Perform most of the operations \begin{align} \frac{ML}{2}\, &\Big[\,-\sin(\theta)\frac{d^2\theta}{dt^2} - \cos(\theta)\Big(\frac{d\theta}{dt}\Big)^2\,\Big] \hat{i} \, \\ +\, \frac{ML}{2}\,&\Big[\,\,\,\,\,\,\,\cos(\theta)\frac{d^2\theta}{dt^2} - \sin(\theta)\Big(\frac{d\theta}{dt}\Big)^2\,\Big] \, \hat{j} \,=\, H \, \hat{i} \, + \,\big(\,V \,- \,Mg\,\big)\hat{j}\\ &\\ &I_c\frac{d^2\theta}{dt^2} \,\hat{k} \, = \, \frac{L}{2}\big(\, H\cos(\theta) - V\sin(\theta) \,\big) \hat{k} \end{align}

Solve for the horizontal and vertical components of the reaction force \begin{align} &H \, =\, \frac{ML}{2}\, \Big[\,-\sin(\theta)\frac{d^2\theta}{dt^2} - \cos(\theta)\Big(\frac{d\theta}{dt}\Big)^2\,\Big] \\ &V \, = \, \frac{ML}{2}\,\Big[\,\,\,\,\,\,\,\cos(\theta)\frac{d^2\theta}{dt^2} - \sin(\theta)\Big(\frac{d\theta}{dt}\Big)^2\,\Big] \, +\, Mg\\ &\\ &I_c\frac{d^2\theta}{dt^2} \, = \, \frac{L}{2}\, H\cos(\theta) - \frac{L}{2}\, V\sin(\theta) \end{align}

and plug them in the third (torque) equation, simplify and apply the appropriate trigonometric identities. The result is

$$ I_c\frac{d^2\theta}{dt^2} \, = \, -\,\frac{ML^2}{4}\,\frac{d^2\theta}{dt^2} \, -\, \frac{MgL}{2} \sin(\theta) $$

or re-expressed $$ \left(I_c\, + \,\frac{ML^2}{4}\right)\frac{d^2\theta}{dt^2} \, = \, -\, \frac{MgL}{2} \sin(\theta) $$

where $$I_o \, =\, I_c\, + \,\frac{ML^2}{4}$$ which is in line with the parallel axis theorem.

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  • Thank you very much for the answer, Futurologist. Indeed, when the H and V are plugged in equation (2), the resultant forces in the right side and the inertia moment in the left side match equation (1). Once again, thank you for the excellent demonstration! – Enzo Charles Jul 31 '21 at 01:45