Vertical coriolis effect

Question

Imagine the Earth to be an extended body, spinning about an axis. Suppose we throw a ball vertically upwards. As soon as the ball leaves our hand, it starts traveling upward with some velocity and also with some angular velocity, equal to that of the Earth, just before it was thrown. However, as soon as the ball leaves our hand, we can consider it to be a Kepler orbit. As it moves upward, due to the conservation of angular momentum, its angular velocity should decrease, as distance increases. Let's say, the ball rises to a height $h$. At ground $0$, it had an angular velocity $\omega_g$, and at height $h$ it has an angular velocity $\omega_h$ such that $\omega_h \lt \omega_g$.

Since the earth is an extended object, if we project the longitudes on the surface of the Earth, at the height $h$, they would have the exact same angular velocity as the ground, as in extended circular motion, the angular velocity remains the same, as the points are still completing one revolution in 1 day.

Hence the ball lags behind the longitudes at this height, while rising and falling down again, as it has an angular velocity always less than that on the ground.

Is this the reason, why balls get deflected sideways when thrown upwards ? Is this the reasoning behind the vertical coriolis effect?

Yes. This might help - Coriolis Force: Direction Perpendicular to Rotation Axis Visualization — mmesser314, Aug 14 '21 at 17:39
Yes, this is theoretically one of the reasons behind the Coriolis effect. But at this scale the Coriolis effect will be very tiny and other effects such as air influences might drown our any Coriolis effect from the result. So the experiment might not be sensible enough to show what you are aiming for — Steeven, Aug 14 '21 at 18:11
@Steeven so this is how someone outside Earth, in an inertial frame of reference would try to explain the coriolis effect with, right ? People on Earth on the other hand would use the fictitious coriolis force — Nakshatra Gangopadhay, Aug 14 '21 at 19:06

John Darby · Accepted Answer · 2021-08-14T18:02:23.673

If the earth was stationary, as seen by an observer on earth (an inertial reference frame) a ball thrown straight upwards would go vertically up, then vertically down due to the force of gravity, with no sideways movement. In the inertial reference frame, the angular momentum of the ball relative to the center of the earth zero.

Due to the earth's rotation, as seen by an observer on earth (a non-inertial reference frame), the ball experiences fictitious forces, one of which is the Coriolis force. The Coriolis force appears when an object has a velocity in the rotating frame of reference, here the velocity of the ball relative to the earth. The Coriolis force is $−2m \vec ω × {d^* \vec r \over dt}$ where $m$ is the mass of the object (here, the ball), $\vec ω$ is the angular velocity of the rotating frame of reference, $\vec r$ is the position of the object (in either frame) and ${d^* \vec r \over dt}$ is the velocity of the object in the rotating frame of reference. The Coriolis force, hence the sideways deflection, depends on the latitude where the ball is thrown. In the non-inertial reference frame, the angular momentum of the ball relative to the center of the earth is not zero due to the Coriolis force.

(As an aside, the angular momentum depends on the point about which it is evaluated.)

See a physics mechanics textbook such as Symon, Mechanics, and the question/response @mmesser references in a comment above.

score 0 · Answer 2 · answered Mar 15 '23 at 16:58

Coriolis effect applies in horizontal and vertical projections. A ball thrown perfectly vertical will not fall back to the point from which it was thrown. Now, in on an everyday scale the effect would be too small to notice. But if the ball were thrown several miles high, the effect could be noticeable. I am excluding any aerodynamic forces acting on the ball, i.e, if earth had no atmosphere. In the northern hemisphere the landing point would be south of launch point. Easy to demonstrate using a record turntable spinning counter clockwise with an vertical launch device. The launch mechanism spins with the turntable away from the projectile (spitball?,ha). The spitball lands outward and to the right of the launch point.strong text

Vertical coriolis effect

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