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Wikipedia article under generalized forces says

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Also we know that the generalized forces are defined as

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How can I derive the first equation from the second for a monogenic system?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monogenic_system#cite_ref-2

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TL;DR: Concerning OP's question (v3), it follows by definition without the use of eq. (2).

  1. The first equation is the very definition of a monogenic force, i.e. that the force has a generalized (possibly velocity-dependent) potential.

  2. The second equation is the definition of a generalized force.

Eq. (1) is a special case of eq. (2), but not vice-versa.

Example: A friction force is a generalized force that is not monogenic, cf. e.g. this Phys.SE post.

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  • So the generalized force for a monogenic system which you call as monogenic force is just defined as having two terms and therefore can't be derived from the more general definition of the generalised force involving a summation? – Kashmiri Sep 19 '21 at 11:28
  • $\uparrow$ Yes. – Qmechanic Sep 19 '21 at 11:29
  • In the special case then is this correct $Q_{j}=\sum_{i=1}^{n} \mathbf{F}{i} \cdot \frac{\partial \mathbf{r}{i}}{\partial q_{j}}$=$-\frac{\partial \mathcal{V}}{\partial q_{i}}+\frac{d}{d t}\left(\frac{\partial \mathcal{V}}{\partial \dot{q}_{i}}\right)$ ? – Kashmiri Sep 21 '21 at 08:16
  • $\uparrow$ Yes. – Qmechanic Sep 21 '21 at 08:19
  • And we can't prove explicitly that the summation on the LHS equals the RHS for a monogenic case? – Kashmiri Sep 21 '21 at 08:22