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For context, I think the comparison to tests of general relativity here is apt. There is the post-Newtonian formalism that has some well-defined parameters that can discriminate between general relativity and other theories.

Is there anything like this but for quantum mechanics? If there is, is there any neatly defined parameter that can be thought of as a "measure of nonlinearity" for tests of quantum mechanics?

(Obviously, the parameter would be zero according to quantum mechanics, but that's besides the point.)

This physics SE post is relevant, but it doesn't ask the same question. I haven't yet looked at Weinberg's paper.

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  • Interesting question. Given how many applications the nonlinear SE has, I'm sure there's some way to measure its parameter $\kappa$; I just can't find the details. +1. – J.G. Mar 09 '22 at 00:26
  • This question rests on a false comparison: Quantum mechanics is a framework for physical theories just like classical Hamiltonian or Newtonian mechanics is. The "post-Newtonian formalism" refers specifically to a formulation of GR that can be compared to the standard Newtonian theory of gravity, it is not a test of the framework of Newtonian/classical physics. What sort of "measure of non-linearity" are you looking for here? The Schrödinger equation $H\psi = \partial_t \psi$ as one of the foundations of QM is untestable - what you can test are its predictions for specific choices of $H$. – ACuriousMind Mar 09 '22 at 00:39
  • @ACuriousMind I'm asking whether or not there are generalized frameworks that involve nonlinear deviations from the Schrodinger equation and include QM as a special case. I agree that the Schrodinger equation is untestable without anything to test it against. But in a well-defined context, I think it can be tested. – Maximal Ideal Mar 09 '22 at 00:46
  • But you didn't supply any such context in your question - you're asking for "tests of quantum mechanics", and my point is that that's about as meaningful as to ask for "tests of classical physics". What we test are specific quantum or classical theories, such as the Newtonian theory of gravity, not the mechanical frameworks as such. – ACuriousMind Mar 09 '22 at 00:48
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    Nonlinear QM is a pretty far-out topic, but there's an interesting new proposal here. You shouldn't expect the deviation from standard QM to be parametrizable by just a few numbers though. Once you start adding terms to the Schrodinger equation, you can do whatever you want... the PN formalism is different, because it's far more constrained by symmetries. – knzhou Mar 09 '22 at 00:49
  • @ACuriousMind I (think) I understand what you're saying and I appreciate the feedback. – Maximal Ideal Mar 09 '22 at 03:10

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The post-Newtonian expansion in GR is an expansion in powers of $1/c^2$. You can derive this expansion from an effective field theory approach in which every possible term consistent with symmetries is considered, and "ranked" according to its importance in the $1/c^2$ expansion. We can therefore identify what are the most important terms that would give the largest contributions, if they were different from GR. (Actually, to be precise, the post-Newtonian expansion is just a way of doing perturbation theory with GR; it is the parameterized post-Newtonian framework that is used to test GR, by replacing known, computable coefficients in the post-Newtonian expansion with free parameters that can be constrained with observations).

The situation in quantum mechanics is quite different, since there's not really a physical parameter with respect to which we know it makes sense to deform the theory, and therefore there is not a physically motivated, systematic expansion of correction terms ordered by importance. You could try to test specific non-linear alternatives to quantum mechanics if you have one in mind, but this is more analogous to testing specific alternative theories of gravity, as opposed to the post-Newtonian expansion.

Actually, I am not even sure if there is a viable, non-linear alternative to quantum mechanics that can be experimentally tested, although admittedly I am not an expert on this topic so there may well be one that someone can point to here. Weinberg proposed a framework for introducing nonlinearities into quantum mechanics in [1], but this was shown to lead to superluminal signaling in [2] and [3]. Some of the history is discussed in [4].

References

[1] S. Weinberg. Precision tests of quantum mechanics, Phys. Rev. Lett. 62:485, 1989

[2] N. Gisin. Weinberg’s non-linear quantum mechanics and superluminal communications, Phys. Lett. A 143:1–2, 1990.

[3] J. Polchinski. Weinberg’s nonlinear quantum mechanics and the Einstein-Podolsky-Rosen paradox, Phys. Rev. Lett. 66:397–400, 1991.

[4] S. Aaronson. Is Quantum Mechanics An Island In Theoryspace? https://arxiv.org/abs/quant-ph/0401062

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Nonlinear terms in the Schrodinger equation are used in so-called objective collapse theories. These are theories of quantum mechanics which explicitly (mathematically) specify under what conditions the famous Copenhagen wavefunction collapse happens. This is unlike the traditional Copenhagen interpretation which leaves this question unanswered, resulting in an INCOMPLETE physical theory.

Wavefunction collapse is nonlinear because we might have $$ |\psi_1\rangle = \frac{1}{\sqrt{2}}|0\rangle + \frac{1}{\sqrt{2}}|1\rangle \rightarrow |0\rangle $$

and

$$ |\psi_2\rangle = \frac{1}{\sqrt{4}}|0\rangle + \sqrt{\frac{3}{4}}|1\rangle \rightarrow |0\rangle $$

but no linear operator could map both $|\psi_1\rangle$ and $|\psi_2\rangle$ to $|0\rangle$

Therefore, objective collapse theories include explicit nonlinear (and stochastic) terms into the Schrodinger equation to explain wavefunction collapse.

These theories make predictions different than regular quantum mechanics. See my answer at https://physics.stackexchange.com/a/659421/128186 for more details. In short, regular quantum mechanics says that we could perform double slit experiments with bigger and bigger objects and see interference patterns if we are able to sufficiently isolate the large particles from environmental interactions. By contrast, objective collapse theories have terms that induce wavefunction collapse if the particle becomes too "macroscopic". Here macroscopic can be defined as some combination of too massive, to spatially large, too many particles, or various other measures of macroscopicity.

Therefore, one way to test for the presence and bound the magnitude of these non-linear terms is to perform macroscopic superposition experiments, such as double slit experiments with large objects. See https://arxiv.org/abs/1410.0270.

Finally, I'll put a quick plug for a totally different approach, though I don't have a reference. Another way to test deviations from the Schrodinger equation would be to take a system with many particles and perform operations to put them into complicated superposition and entangles states and allow them to evolve under various interactions. Then, measure very precisely the final state of the system of particles and check if you get the prediction of regularly quantum mechanics. The bigger your system is and the more complicated interactions you perform the more sensitive you become to deviations from linearity of the Schrodinger equation. In fact, what I have just described is a quantum computer. A large controllable quantum system.

In summary, we can test for non-linear terms in the Schrodinger equation by performing experiments with LARGE quantum system and seeing if we get the results that are expected by regular quantum mechanics, and not the results expected by a theory with a non-linear term.

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