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So I know that for Noether's conservation of energy theorem, the Lagrangian is used. However, I know that the Lagrangian doesn't always equal energy. So why did she use the Lagrangian and not other representatives of energy (ex. Hamiltonian) to construct her conservation of energy theorem?

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    Did Emmy Noether used any Lagrangians at all? She was interested in continuous symmetries of differential equations IIRC. Maybe this is better for HSM.SE? – ZeroTheHero Jul 27 '22 at 00:42

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However, I know that the Lagrangian doesn't always equal energy.

The Lagrangian never equals the energy, unless there is no potential $U$ so the problem is trivial.

In many cases, we can show that the energy is given by: $$ H = T + U\;, $$ where $T$ is the kinetic energy.

On the other hand, the Lagrangian is given by: $$ L = T - U $$

So why did she use the Lagrangian

Whether or not she did, I don't know. But one would typically start from the Lagrangian equations of motion $$ \frac{d}{dt}\frac{\partial L}{\partial \dot x} = \frac{\partial L}{\partial x}\;, $$ which are a typical starting point for dynamical calculations.

Now consider the total time derivative of the Lagrangian: $$ \frac{dL}{dt} = \frac{\partial L}{\partial x}\dot x + \frac{\partial L}{\partial \dot x}\ddot x + \frac{\partial L}{\partial t}\;.\qquad (1) $$

If the system has no explicit time dependence then: $$ \frac{\partial L}{\partial t}=0 \qquad (2) $$

Combining Eq (1) and (2) tells us that: $$ \frac{d}{dt}\left(\frac{\partial L}{\partial \dot x}\dot x - L\right) = 0\;. $$

Then we define the energy (Hamiltonian) $$ H = \left(\frac{\partial L}{\partial \dot x}\dot x - L\right) $$

So, we have shown that the energy is conserved due to "time translation invariance" of the Lagrangian. It doesn't make sense to do it any other way.

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  1. The very starting point of Noether's theorem (NT) is an action formulation (and hence a Lagrangian), and quasisymmetries thereof.

  2. Noether did not formulate her theorem with only energy conservation in mind. Energy conservation (which according to NT is a consequence of time translation quasisymmetry, cf. e.g. this related Phys.SE post) is just 1 possible conservation law.

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