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I'd like to check my understanding of the notions "geodesic path" and "arc length of a geodesic path" in the context of GTR and "Lorentzian manifolds".

Considering a set of "spacetime events", $\mathcal S$, such that for any two distinct events $A, B \in \mathcal S$ and for any subset $\mathcal G \subset \mathcal S$ it is known

  • whether $\mathcal G$ is a "geodesic path between $A$ and $B$", or not, and (if so 1)

  • whether $\mathcal G$ is a "geodesic path between $A$ and $B$ of minimal arc length"2 (which I'll denote as "$s[~A, B~]$" for reference below), or not,

is it true that

(1):
for any two distinct events $A, B \in \mathcal S$ and for any "geodesic path $\mathcal G$ of minimal arc length between $A$ and $B$" (if there is one at all) then for each event $X \in \mathcal G$ which is distinct from events $A$ and $B$ (if there is one at all)

  • there is a "geodesic path $\mathcal P$ of minimal arc length between $A$ and $X$" and a "geodesic path $\mathcal Q$ of minimal arc length between $B$ and $X$" which are both subsets of $\mathcal G$, and such that

  • the arc length of $\mathcal G$ equals the sum of the arc length of $\mathcal P$ and the arclength of $\mathcal Q$, and either

    • $\mathcal G$, $\mathcal P$, and $\mathcal Q$ are all "null paths", i.e. $s[~A, B~] = s[~A, X~] = s[~B, X~] = 0$, or

    • $\mathcal G$ is not a "null path",
      the ratio of the arc length of $\mathcal P$ to the the arc length of $\mathcal G$ is a positive real number, $\frac{s[~A, X~]}{s[~A, B~]} \gt 0$, and
      the ratio of the arc length of $\mathcal Q$ to the the arc length of $\mathcal G$ is a positive real number, $\frac{s[~B, X~]}{s[~A, B~]} \gt 0$, too; and

(2):
for any two events $J, K \in \mathcal S$ with a non-null "geodesic path of minimal arc length between $J$ and $K$"

  • either for any three distinct events $A, B, X \in \mathcal S$ with "geodesic paths of minimal arc length between" any two of them, and with $$\frac{s[~A, B~]}{s[~J, K~]} \gt 0, \qquad \frac{s[~A, X~]}{s[~J, K~]} \ge 0, \qquad \frac{s[~B, X~]}{s[~J, K~]} \ge 0,$$ holds $$\scriptsize{1 + \left(\frac{s[~A, X~]}{s[~A, B~]}\right)^4 + \left(\frac{s[~B, X~]}{s[~A, B~]}\right)^4 \ge 2~\left(\frac{s[~A, X~]}{s[~A, B~]}\right)^2 + 2~\left(\frac{s[~B, X~]}{s[~A, B~]}\right)^2 + 2~\left(\frac{s[~A, X~]}{s[~A, B~]}\right)^2~\left(\frac{s[~B, X~]}{s[~A, B~]}\right)^2},$$

  • or for any three distinct events $A, B, X \in \mathcal S$ with "geodesic paths of minimal arc length between" any two of them, and with $$\frac{s[~A, B~]}{s[~J, K~]} \lt 0, \qquad \frac{s[~A, X~]}{s[~J, K~]} \le 0, \qquad \frac{s[~B, X~]}{s[~J, K~]} \le 0,$$ holds likewise $$\scriptsize{1 + \left(\frac{s[~A, X~]}{s[~A, B~]}\right)^4 + \left(\frac{s[~B, X~]}{s[~A, B~]}\right)^4 \ge 2~\left(\frac{s[~A, X~]}{s[~A, B~]}\right)^2 + 2~\left(\frac{s[~B, X~]}{s[~A, B~]}\right)^2 + 2~\left(\frac{s[~A, X~]}{s[~A, B~]}\right)^2~\left(\frac{s[~B, X~]}{s[~A, B~]}\right)^2}$$

?

Notes (in response to comments)

1: The fact that a certain subset $\mathcal G \subset \mathcal S$ is indeed a "geodesic path between $A$ and $B$, with respect to the given set of events $\mathcal S$" may be expressed by more explicit notation. I'd prefer: $\mathcal G \equiv \gamma_{\mathcal S}[~A, B~]$.

2: Here "arc length" of a given "geodesic path $\mathcal G$" is understood as "proper arc length" (a "signed quantity"), formally:
$\int_{\mathcal G} \text{sgn}[~\text{ds}^2~]~\sqrt{\text{sgn}[~\text{ds}^2~]~\text{ds}^2} \equiv \int_{\mathcal G} \text{sgn}[~\text{ds}^2~]~\sqrt{~|~\text{ds}^2~|}$,
where the "spacetime interval differential $\text{ds}^2$" can be positive, zero or negative. (This understanding of "arc length" may however be at variance with the notion "arc length" as described in Wikipedia.)

Therefore the required "geodesic path between $A$ and $B$ of minimal arc length" refers to the (or any) "geodesic path between $A$ and $B$" with the absolutely smallest, possibly negative, arc length of all "geodesic paths between $A$ and $B$", according to a suitable sign convention. (However, in order to be independent of any particular choice of such a convention, consider the requirement instead as "geodesic path between $A$ and $B$ of extremal arc length, according to any one consistently applied sign convention".)

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    Comments: 1. The notation used is unusual, and geodesics are more properly phrased as smooth maps $\gamma : [a,b]\to \mathcal{S}$ than subsets of it, although $\gamma([a,b])$ corresponds to what you consider a geodesic. 2. "Minimal arc length" is a difficult term on Lorentzian manifolds (sign issues), you have to define what precisely you mean by it. 3. The properties of $s[A,B]$ to be checked seem rather randomly chosen (though they are most probably not!), why are you interested in them? – ACuriousMind Feb 19 '15 at 23:57
  • @ACuriousMind: "1. The notation used is unusual [...] $\gamma([a,b])$ corresponds to what you consider a geodesic." -- "$\gamma([a,b])$" seems to be a stretch (abuse?) of notation: doesn't function $\gamma$ take only one real-number tuple, e.g. $a$, as argument? I'd compromise:$\mathcal G\equiv\gamma_{\mathcal S}[~A,B~]$. "2. "Min. arc length" is a difficult term" -- Is "geodesic of min. arclength" not definite enough? "3. Why?" -- Not least: http://physics.stackexchange.com/questions/162170/why-do-things-slow-down-when-you-move-faster-rather-than-speed-up/162171#comment341211_162171 – user12262 Feb 20 '15 at 00:33
  • @ACuriousMind: p.s., returning to "2. [...] (sign issues)" -- In the second ("non-random", "interesting") part of the OP I went to some pains not having to spell out a particular "sign", or correspondingly, not to distinguish "minimal" from "maximal". Similarly, perhaps I should not necessarily have to ask about "(a) geodesic(s) of minimal arclength", but rather about "(a) geodesic(s) of extremal arclength (in a/any consistent sense)". – user12262 Feb 20 '15 at 00:51
  • For $f: A -> B$, the set of points of B which are images of points of A is very commonly denoted $im(f)$ or $f(A)$. 2. The geodesics are local extrema of the length functional. Due to the sign change, "minimal length" would be a geodesic that is as closest as possible to a null curve, but it is not clear why that should be a good notion (or even exist). Particularly considering causal structures, Mather theory and other things, it turns (non-trivially) out that the maximizing "causal" geodesics are more relevant.
  • – ACuriousMind Feb 20 '15 at 00:53
  • @ACuriousMind: "1. For f:A->B, the set of points of B which are images of points of A is very commonly denoted im(f) or f(A)." -- True, but my objection is a bit more subtle: Was I correct to interpret the symbol $a$ (or likewise $b$) in your above comment as one real number tuple? If so, what exactly did you mean there by "$[a,b]$"? (Or else? -- go figure.) 2. [...] "minimal length" would be a geodesic that is as closest as possible to a null curve" -- That's a particularly "Sheldon-esque" hang-up. Meteorologists don't seem to have it when reporting temperature extremes [to be contd.] – user12262 Feb 20 '15 at 01:37
  • But: of course that's rather an indication of my poor grasp at the appropriate terminology; or, possibly, the present lack of any appropriate terminology to be grasped. "it turns (non-trivially) out that the maximizing "causal" geodesics are more relevant." -- Fair enough; but then how to talk about "acausal" (spacelike) geodesics, or best of all how to be "transparent to these issues"?. "Mather theory and other things" -- News to me (+1 ?) ... – user12262 Feb 20 '15 at 01:37
  • Ah, $[a,b]$ is meant to be the interval of real numbers between $a$ and $b$ - smooth curves are smooth functions from an interval onto a (smooth) manifold. There are no space-like geodesics because Lorentzian geodesics are locally length maximizing, but you can always find a space-like curve that's longer than a given space-like curve (just take a tube around the given curve and let the longer curve wind around it). (I said "Mather theory and other things" because I know little more than the name myself) – ACuriousMind Feb 20 '15 at 01:44
  • @ACuriousMind: "There're no space-like geodesics because [...]" -- Wikipedia says otherwise, FWIW: "For a space-like geodesic through two events, there are always nearby curves {of} either a longer or a shorter proper length than the geodesic". (And I'm stickin' to it. ;) "smooth functions from an interval onto a (smooth) manifold." -- Then "$[a,b]$" is read as some closed "real line interval"; go on to "$\gamma([0, 1])$" and the important specific events $A$, $B$ are hidden from view – user12262 Feb 20 '15 at 02:18
  • @ACuriousMind Note that geodesics must be stationary "points" of the length functional, not extrema. A spacelike geodesic can very well be a saddle point. – Ryan Unger Feb 22 '15 at 03:06