Does velocity add like vectors?

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In the arrangement shown in the figure, the ends P and Q of an unstretchable string move downwards with uniform speed V. Pulleys A and B are fixed. What will be the velocity of Mass M?

The answer is $\frac V {\cos\theta}$. I've seen the solution of this problem in many websites, and I understand the method. But my problem is that it is easy to mistake the upward velocity of the mass M to be $2Vcos\theta$, which is wrong. Although I understand the right method, I'm still not able to get perfect clarity on why $2v\cos\theta$ won't work here. If someone can, please explain the contradiction in detail with examples. What if this mass is pulled by two bikes, each moving at a velocity V, with an angle of separation $2\theta$? Would the velocity of the mass be still $\frac V {\cos\theta}$?

Look at https://physics.stackexchange.com/a/661792/268448 from a similar question. — JAlex, Sep 20 '21 at 16:30

tryst with freedom · Accepted Answer · 2021-07-20T02:02:12.863

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The velocity of the block will be the same as the velocity of the piece of rope attached to it. The velocity of the vertically hanging strand is equal to the rate at which the whole rope overhanging a pulley is moving up.

If the $ 2v \cos \theta$ was the velocity of the block, then it would mean that the block is moving faster up than the rope is going up!

Comparison with boat problems, in the boat problems it's like the river acts like an escalator (Know the one in airports?) so that either boosts the speed of the boat or reduces it. Here it is different because the object is constrained to move at the same velocity as the rope for a physical situation. THe closest analogy I can think of is a paper boat moving at the same speed as a river flows.

edited Jul 20 '21 at 02:02

answered Nov 19 '20 at 13:28

tryst with freedom

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I knew this would be different with forces instead of velocities, but what confused me was in the boat and stream problems, we do add velocity vectors to get the resultant direction and velocity of the boat. – Sasikuttan Nov 19 '20 at 13:58
relative velocity are different from mechanical constriants, you should put that as reference in the q – tryst with freedom Nov 19 '20 at 14:40
Edited teh answer, have a look – tryst with freedom Nov 19 '20 at 16:00
Yeah, that made it clear. Thanks! – Sasikuttan Nov 19 '20 at 16:19
You can upvote and accept the answer if you found it most helpful in figuring out your question – tryst with freedom Nov 19 '20 at 16:20

score 1 · Answer 2 · answered Nov 19 '20 at 13:18

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In this problem, you are not concerned with the vector sum of the two tensions, only with the relative velocities. For that you can work with just one side.

answered Nov 19 '20 at 13:18

R.W. Bird

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score 1 · Answer 3 · answered Nov 19 '20 at 13:27

This kind of diagram is often used to study forces. Forces do add like you are thinking.

But this is velocity. Consider the case where $\Theta = 0$, and the pulleys are right next to each other. If P and Q drop as distance, you would expect M to rise the same distance because the string stays the same length.

score 1 · Answer 4 · answered Nov 19 '20 at 14:49

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You see the addition of velocities is done when you are changing reference frames, but in this case the velocity of the mass is the upward velocity of the point to which it is attached. Hope this explains your doubt

answered Nov 19 '20 at 14:49

SK Dash

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Does velocity add like vectors?

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